A Springer Review

[uragon]

ORIGNALY WRITTEN BY and POSTED BY BROJAMES at ACM GAMES

SPRINGERS TESTED

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DOUBLE EAGLE FAMAS
WELL MR744 (added June 21, 2005)
WELL MR733
WELL M16-A4
CYMA MOSSBERG 500 CRUISER (Mossberg 500 shorty)

AMMO USED.[/b]

The BBs I used are 0.12 Class A++ BBs also called Taiwan or Taiwan-Quality BBs sold at P400 per kg. I tested the BBs with a digital scale with 0.1g readings so I have to test the BBs by 10s. I tested 4 batches of 10 4BBs per batch and the scale shows a reading of 1.2g per 10 BB or 0.12g per BB. This is the most accurate BB available in the market today. Other BBs range from 0.11g to o.13g as I posted elsewhere.

Testing Parameters.[/b]

I fired 10 BBs at a paper target 4 meters away in standing position. I am right handed, so with my left hand on the foregrip of the rifle, I rest the outer side of my fingers on the edge of the door for support. Pause in between each shot is about 3 seconds.

The results are based on the first 10 shots fired and there are no repeat shots.

APPEARANCE/REALISM.[/b]

1. FAMAS. I have never seen a FAMAS before, real or replica. Based on the pictures of the FAMAS that I see on the net and on the Marui Catalog, I think (or thought) that this must be one of the worst looking rifle in the world. However, upon opening the box I must admit that I have unfairly judged the FAMAS. It might not be photegenic but I now think this is one of the more beautiful rifles in the world. When I lifted the FAMAS out of its box I can't help feel that this is a real gun primarily due to its weight - its heavy.

2. MR-733 / M16-A4 / MR-744 . I like the MR-744 and MR-733 more than the M16-A4. The longer barrel and the smaller diameter of the M16-A4's foregrip makes it look too skinny for my taste. Both look a little bit plasticky too. However, after having held (and caressed and dreamt of) the KWC M16A1 and M16A2, I guess my judgement on these two WELL rifles, which are perhaps the best springer rifles made by China to date, is a bit too harse.

3. MOSSBERG 500 CRUISER. Too plasticky and light. However, I don't want to be on the receiving end of this one.

ACCURACY[/b]

I measure the distance between the two extreme BBs (horizontal and vertical) using the center of the BB holes as anchor points and round off the measured distances to the upper 1/4". For example, more than 1/2" is considered 3/4". The figures in parenthesis is the area of the groupings in square inches so that a lower figure suggests better accuracy. The basis of accuracy is in the BB groupings and not the target which is sight dependent.

WELL MR-733. the grouping measures 2" wide and 3-1/2" high(7 sqi). However, excluding the 1 shot that is off target, the grouping is 2" wide by 1-1/4" high (3.5 sqi).

WELL M16-A4 #1. The grouping measures 2" high by 3-1/4 wide(6.5 sqi). The center of the grouping is 3" off to the upper left of the target. Excluding the 2 shots that appears to be way off the new groupings measures 2" high by 1-3/4 wide(3.5 sqi). I am not very comfortable with the M16 front sights. I don't know the official name for this trident style sight where the sight is surrounded by two "posts". Sometimes, I mistook one of the post as the front sight.

WELL MR-744. the grouping measures 2-3/4" wide and 1-1/4" high(3.4 sqi). However, excluding the 1 shot that is obviously off target, the grouping is 1-1/4" wide by 1-3/4" high (2.2 sqi).

WELL M16-A4 #2. I tested another Well M16A1 and the groupings on this one measures 2-1/4" wide by 2-3/4" high (6.2 sqi). Removing the 2 outliners, the new grouping is 1-1/2" x 1-1/4" (2.84 sqi). I include the test results to show that variation may exists between rifles of the same make and manufacturer or that subsequent tests may show different results (for various reason) but the results of this second rifle is included here only for illustration. Actually, even another set of tests with the same rifle may yield different results.

DOUBLE EAGLE M46P FAMAS. I test fired the M46P the night before and have difficulty with the sights. I am more comfortable with the sights now so maybe my problems have something to do with lighting (however, I still think that the FAMAS has the worst sight among the springers tested here). The rear sight of M16 variants and the FAMAS are both peep hole-types but somehow I had less difficulty with M16 variants' rear sight. You know where they are because you can see the outline of the rear sight but in the case of the FAMAS, I found myself searching for the hole. The grouping measures 1-1/2" wide by 2-3/4" high(4.125 sqi). 1 shot is noticeably above and another well below the grouping. The remaining 8 shots are slightly to the upper right side of the target in a cluster measuring 1-1/2" wide by 1" high(1.5 sqi).

CYMA MOSSBERG 500 CRUISER. Using the edge of the barrel as guide I was surprisingly able to achieve a grouping of 2-1/4" wide by 1-1/4 high(2.81 sqi). All shots are evenly distributed and are 1" to 1-3/4" below the target.

MEASURING ACCURACY

If we go by the results of the test, without removing shots that are off-target and are likely to be caused by hand movement during firing, then mossberg 500 cruiser is the surprise winner with 2.81 sqi followed by (hte MR-744 with 3.4sqi then) the M46P with 4.1 sqi. I consider the M16-A4 at 6.5 sqi and the MR-733 with 7 sqi to be even.

If we remove shots which appears to be off and most likely caused by hand movement, then the M46P is the winner with 1.5 sqi. After including the test results of the MR-744, the 2.2 sqi it achieved puts it in second place. moving the mossberg 500 cruiser down to third with at 2.8 sqi and the MR-733 and M16-A1 dead even with 3.5 sqi.

POWER

1. MR7744
2. Mossberg 500 cruiser
3. MR733
4. M16-A4 & FAMAS

I fired 3 shots at carton boxes with the flap folded down forming two layers. Now my customers know why some of the carton boxes their orders are shipped in have holes (Unfortunately, it does not qualify as factory or manufacturing defect). I am not sure how it is called but the cartons I used have "double corrugations(?)" or is it 2-ply? The muzzle of the gun is placed about 1 ft away. All shots went through the the first carton so I use the dents on the flap to gauge the power.

OVERALL WINNER

The new winner is the MR-744.

One shot penetrated even the flap and the other two made deep dents. I took out my mossberg and did a side by side comparison and the MR-744 is indeed more powerful. Firing 10 shots each, the mossberg made deep dents but 3 shots from the MR744 penetrated the carton and the flap. Was it not for the ribbed foregrip, which I found to be more beautiful than that of the MR-733, I'd still give the crown to the mossberg.

The 2ns placer CYMA Mossberg 500 Cruiser.


Although the mossberg lost big on the looks department it more than make up for this loss in the power and accuracy department so I think it is a very close second. The underbarrel c ocking makes firing the mossberg, or any other shotgun with the same cocking mechanism, more realistic (for manual c ocking firearms). I am aware that the results may be debatable but that is what the targets show. I am surprised too by the results but again, that is what this run of the test shows. There may be performance variation between each unit, or maybe the test was tainted by the human factor, but the result must stand for now and be judged accordingly. The results may not be duplicated again but at least, nobody can accuse me of the test results as a marketing ploy as the demand for the mossberg 500 cruiser is so low, my markup is quite high (because the gun requires custom packaging to ship as it comes wrapped only in plastic), the retail price so cheap, and profit potential unimaginably low. I would like to perform another set of tests in the future with a longer range.

On the power front, having fired the only BB that penetrated the flap puts the MR-744 on the winner's list. The two BBs that the Mossberg 500 cruiser managed only to embed on the flap is good enough only to put myy personal favorite on second place. Other runner ups are FAMAS and MR-733 seemingly tied with all three respective BBs leaving dents on the flap. The 3 BBs from M16-A4 did also left dents on the flap but the dents appear just a little less prominent.

I also fired BBs at a thinner carton box at a 20 or so degree angle. Only the Mossberg 500 cruiser shotgun was able to penetrate the carton at this angle. All others only make a dent with the BB bouncing off.

For comparison, three BBs by the Steyr AUG manage only to leave a small dent on the carton flap. The AUG would be the least powerful if it were to compete against the springers here head on in a brute match.

FUTURE TESTS

The maximum clear distance inside my apartment is about 6 meters but the maximum distance where I can rest my hands on something is 4 meters which is why this is the range of my test. The maximum range of my apartment is 7 meters in the balcony (muzzle to target) but I can be seen from the street so the only way I can test discreetly from the balcony is in a kneeling position which I am not comfortable with. I may later try some tests in a kneeling position or conduct test at 10, 20, or 30 meters at my office(However, I have to be real early which is why the test at home). I also plan to put a custom pole front and U-type open rear sight on my mossberg and see if the accuracy will improve further.
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[SANDMAN]

Thanks for posting that review sir URAGON.

However, if you post reviews written by other persons- (in this case- by sir BroJames of the ACM Games forum) it would be appropriate to acnowledge the AUTHOR of the review.

*I will edit your post and give credit where credit is due.

Welcome to ACM GAMES Davao.

[daroyski]

tanong ko lang kung merong M14? yung springer lang din.. hehehehehehe

[snyper]

Mga sirs,

Just want to know if you have any idea on which is a better springer, yung Well 733 o Well 744? Any comments?

[gundamn]

I haven't used any of the two Well product that you mentioned, but based on the review of Sir Brojames Well MR-744 is the most powerful.

[BroJames]

Just want to know if you have any idea on which is a better springer, yung Well 733 o Well 744? Any comments?

Right now the 733 is the springer to beat for the main reason that it has been battle tested. The 744, while not really new, has still to prove its worth. Yes, it is more powerful that the 733 stock but there are a lot of players power modding their springers making stock power less important (for the more serious player). So, the upgradabilty and durability of the 744 has still to be proven and until then 733 pa rin ang "overall" better springer (My selection of the 744 as the best is based on test results not battle conditions).

[snyper]

Sirs,

Thanks for your insights, if that is the case i'll use the tested and proven hardware.

BroJames if i may ask, Would you have any idea as to the type modification made on the 733's?

[snyper]

Sirs,

Thanks for your insights, if that is the case i'll use the tested and proven hardware.

BroJames if i may ask, Would you have any idea as to the type modification made on the 733's?

[SANDMAN]

snyper- I think our brothers in Cebu are the best qualified to answer that question. They're heavy users of springers due to the long-range jungle warware games they play. The URL of their forum is posted in the "Cebu" area of our board.

[snyper]

Thanks for the info sir stan. Sent you PM pala regarding the Glock 18.

[snyper]

Sirs,

Just wanna know if you also use the CYMA shotgun when playing in night ops? and I have seen a large and small version of the shotgun. Their difference is about 10% in size and lenght. Didn't know which one was on the review, so i just bought the larger one. Where and how much check out the INTEL REPORTS section.

But I love this baby, very powerfull and I can hit an 8"x11" size paper at a distance bet 25-35 mtrs with some consistency. Still have to take some measurements just tried it out from the package.

[SANDMAN]

Yes sir! Bubuchacha and myself have these springers and we love them dearly. Unfortunately, I haven't used mine during night games kasi mas importante ang accuracy sa akin during night games.

Siguro kung day games- pwde kong gamitin ang mossberg ko since I can see the actual BB flight and compensate.

[gundamn]

Count me in na rin sa shotgun, kabibili ko lang sa akin kahapon. Hmmm... ano kaya kung gawa tayo ng game na puro shotgun and springer during day games. That would be fun.. What you think Sir Stan. :-)

[SANDMAN]

gundamn said:

Count me in na rin sa shotgun, kabibili ko lang sa akin kahapon. Hmmm... ano kaya kung gawa tayo ng game na puro shotgun and springer during day games. That would be fun.. What you think Sir Stan. :-)

Payag man kaya kayo na KWC M16 springer ang gagamitin ko? ;D

[gemboymagz]

ako, i hav an m733. i modded it & installed a hop up, improved its range and accuracy. range is further than the steyr, using a .2g bb even. kung sniper ka, ds s d weapon for u battle tested na pud, been playing with it for the past 5 games na. kahadlokan kay accurate man, great power og longer range. pg makita nila, tago dayon kay gamay silip, hit! cons: ang loading system sa mag, murag amaw saba kaau kay cge ka shake.... ma compromise hnuon ang imo position. i tried modifying d mag, result? guba! mao ngita ko mag m733.... naa nagabaligya dha?