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Post by slowaction on Jul 31, 2009 10:05:30 GMT 8
Mukhang nagkakatotoo na ang sinasabi nag mga katroopa ko ah. If you are as serious as you are in defending the notion of establishing a ferederation as you were in your posts, then get the ball rolling. I would gladly lend my time and experience.
@rambler. UFC is last recourse and depend wholely on the situation. As the more cool headed member of ASG, I take it upon myself to ensure that the host knows what are the issues and tries so much to resolve them before things erupt. I expect the host to take control of situation as we would if we were the host. However, I will not stand in way, if our honor becomes the issue.
Also, it is not advisable to complain after the tournament. How can the host address our issues if we wait until the end of the tournament and trophies are awarded already? What is your purpose then in putting it on the net? To inform everyone and use their opinion to get back at the other party? Isn't it a little bit childish? If I may, I suggest that we first inform the organizer about our issues, then if you are still dissatified, elevated the issue to their board of officers. The internet will be your last recourse when you feel nobody listens to you. But before you do that, try to think if your issue is that significant; maybe your issue is so trivial that you are really not worthy to be entertained.
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Post by Lowlight on Jul 31, 2009 12:23:48 GMT 8
amen brother BRUNO!!!
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Post by denski on Jul 31, 2009 15:04:53 GMT 8
Exactly sir slowaction. Complaining after the event is not complaining... thats called "sourgraping."
Oh ano na nangyari sa federation? Sabi na nga bah puro lang satsat kalalabasan neto eh.
@rambler
If you have any issue with ASG, you talk to us so we can resolve it maturely. Dont hide behind an anonymous nickname and chew on our backsides. We never start fights unless we are provoked... we never back down when challenged... but we are also reasonable and well educated people who will sit down and discuss/resolve matters like the adults we are. Di naman kami barumbado eh... wag lang talaga kami unahan. People and teams who are close to ASG know our eccentricities and know that our actions had valid reasons.
Exactly why we have a VP external to handle problems or productive matters with other teams, clubs, organizations and federations. We are open to discussions.
You guys know our VP internal sir lowlight... you guys know who slowaction is... you guys know me as a carefree tolerant guy infamous on other "things" except violence... we are not hiding behind pseudo names because we stand by what we wrote down. Who is rambler?
Maybe your one of those who have earned our Ire and have seen first hand how we deal with people who provoke ASG. If then, you exactly know why you deserved such treatment and calling "foul" for something you rightfully deserve wont get you anywhere.
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Post by kach on Aug 1, 2009 18:14:17 GMT 8
denski, i have no personal issue with you or your group, i am just participating in a discussion in regards to what is happening to the airsoft movement here in davao , kayo na yata ang na memersonal or maybe i have touch a sensitive issue that you don't want other to know or understand, idont know, nasa inyo na yan.
bakit nag aapura kayo sa federation antay lang, di naman pwedeng madaliin yan, as you have said hindi madaling gawin ang bumoo ng federation ( need big funding sabi mo ), kala ko ayaw nyong sumali?
as for the creation of the federation,i am not directly involved in it, but surely support it on my own little way ( di ako mayaman ), i know, there are already some people who are quietly working on it.
this forum is on fire again, he he he he , paki ready lang ang fire truck
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Post by Lowlight on Aug 1, 2009 23:26:15 GMT 8
hindi kami nag aapura napapansin lang kasi namin na puro kayo salita at paninira, natural mag re react kami kasi kami ang pinatatamaan mo pre, all we are saying is STOP your mudslinging and insinuations towards ASG or towards other groups kung meron man... because it will not help your cause, para bang the more you mudsling the more groups will share my opinion (which is really good for me) and your federation is going to be a failure at para kasing lumalabas may personal vendetta ka... do your federation, we may be in the way but that is the reality of life THAT YOU SHOULD ACCEPT, you will never be able to convince everybody that your opinion is the best... MY stand is still the same i'd rather that my club not join whatever you and others are cooking, can you not give a little respect to that personal opinion? do you really need to repeat the faults of others over and over and over again? what satisfaction you get from this is beyond me bai... come to think of it, for your enlightenment why not join ASG i'll gladly be your sponsor.. by the way we are recruiting
yes this is a discussion... what i am saying is stop the discussion no more to discuss, and this thread has become an avenue for mudslinging just because other do not share the same opinion, do your thing already and we will do ours as we always do, stop your mudslinging because diba you are espousing harmony AND unity man kaha, why not say I LOVE YOU'S and HOPE WE CAN PLAY TOGETHER, or WE WOULD REALLY LOVE TO ENGAGE YOU IN A FRIENDLY WEEKEND GAME OF AIRSOFT, instead of insinuations na kinsa tung nakig away for the past three years, or katong cartel na club na gapangwarta ra... tell me i am wrong and i'll tell you i am not...
YALE lang pwede na, don't need no fire truck
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Post by miklo on Aug 2, 2009 0:46:50 GMT 8
this forum is on fire again, he he he he , paki ready lang ang fire truck murag gusto man nimo sunugon ning forum sir....yaw sad.YALE lang pwede na, don't need no fire truck sakto gyud na sir....kay murag nilihis naman gud ta sa main topic....pero 'wag naman sana i-lock....mawala ang lingaw diri....hehehe....peace!
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Post by denski on Aug 2, 2009 4:02:33 GMT 8
@ rambler
Havent you read anything I wrote down? I am making everyone understand. I am telling everyone so they will know. What are you instigating? I'm not only writing those as an ASG MEMBER but as a FAS staff as well. FAS or filairsoft is an International community of filipino airsofters. We, the staff of FAS, help lonewolves, teams, clubs, organization and federations in any way we can. We also help airsoft shops, retailers, manufacturers, sellers, gamesite operators, event hosts in any way we can. I am obliged to support this federation if I see it benefit the community.
Do you even know the value of the support I am giving if this is indeed a professionalized federation? If this is just an "inato" federation then its not worth anyones effort because it will surely fail... and I'm not about to spend for long distance calls talking to people who can help this federation when I definitely know it will fail.
1ad is considered a federation. Why do you guys want another one? Because you guys want a federation with "teeth." You cannot have "teeth" unless you guys professionalize it. You cannot have "teeth" unless all teams and clubs respect it... and I mean "ALL." Bottomline, you need everyone's support including ASG's. If even one club dont support you... it will fail. You just lost sir lowlight's vote. Thats one less vote when ASG MEMBERS discuss the issue. There will be many more less votes in ASG unless you convince us this federation is for the benefit of all... not just a few teams. If I'm not convinced, you also lose FAS support because I am the eyes and ears of the staff of FAS in Mindanao... I'm the only one based in Mindanao among the FAS moderators.
Quietly working on it? If your not overly concerned in losing support from one club... then what does this federation tell everyone? Its not for the community... its for the people who align themselves on your twisted form of federation. Do you get the big picture now?
You guys want to start small? My advice? You improve 1ad and get everyone on board. Its already up and running and FAS recognizes 1ad's existence.
Regarding issues with ASG... stand by your words and identify yourself.
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Post by Lowlight on Aug 2, 2009 8:52:11 GMT 8
buhat na pud ta laing thread sir miks na mas lingaw hehehehe like FTB or raw
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Post by kach on Aug 2, 2009 18:08:37 GMT 8
what i am writing here is not mudslinging, but instead it is the problem that we should be all addressing, bakit guilty kayo? overtly? oh c'mon what i said is quietly working, without the fanfare and pasikat like other people do. if you cant stand the heat don't play with fire.
problems should be address, hindi bini beybe, established clubs like yours should be an example to all airsofter old and new to emulate, but sa mga pina pakita nyo, dapat ba?
the creation of a federation is the only solution that can partly solved some problems we are encountering now, it is not perfect but it's a start, wag na kayo masyadong nega.
kung ayaw nyo, wag nyo, it is as simple as that, wa ma ni pinugsanay.
i identify my self now
i am rambler ang inyong konsensya ( kung meron pa )
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Post by Lowlight on Aug 2, 2009 18:25:04 GMT 8
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Post by denski on Aug 2, 2009 21:17:43 GMT 8
For the benefit of the community but this federation only includes a select few clubs and teams? Thats not a federation... thats a mob... an exclusive mob. Most probably designed to go up against stronger clubs and teams they cannot influence or even control. Not everyone agrees with what I think these guys want to be implemented because most of it are unreasonable, unproductive and unintelligent.
These guys just lost my vote. This federation these guys are asking is built on selfish personal desires to have their own way even if not everyone agrees to it. Its not built on gentlemanly agreement between all teams and clubs... which is what a federation is suppose to be. I dont think these guys even know what a federation is.
These guys are not helping at all. They are part of the problem... in fact they are the core of the problem. Bunch of backtalkers, whiners, sourgrapers, crab mental, unreasonable, jealous, mudslinging idiots who wants their own way done even if its not agreed by all.
So Rambler is not willing to stake his name and reputation on what he wrote down? Ladies and gentlemen... I rest my case. Are you guys going to give your trust on someone who is not even willing stake his reputation? Are these the kind of guys you want to represent your interests?
I urge everyone to look into what this federation is really for? Is it for the benefit of the community or just another form of dictatorship where their opinions are the only things that matter. Will this kind of federation really help us all in Davao or create more descent and faction between clubs and teams?
The federation is a good idea but with these kinds of people on the helm... the federation can easily be warped into something less desirable.
Unless all teams and clubs are represented without discrimination... I say No to this twisted form of Federation which clearly will create more factions, descent, anger, hatred, disgust among teams and clubs. Clearly you can see marginalization is being done to a team... our team. What if these guys suddenly decides your teams are not cool enough? You get marginalized as well? They can do it to one team, they can do it to the rest of the teams. We ASG can take care of ourselves... what about smaller teams? Are they going to get bullied into conformation even if they dont like the ideas presented?
Quietly working on it? Who are these people? Are these the people representing everyone's interests? A handfull of people not even belonging to the teams and clubs represented?
You guys want that? Someone else dictating the terms of how you run your teams and clubs without consultation and agreement? Someone else from another team/club telling you what to do?
These guys have no right to call themselves Airsoft Federation of Davao (AFOD) if even one Davao team dont support them. Face it... its "Airsoft federation against the rest of the teams who dont join up" (AFARTWDJU - a fart well done junk)
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Post by kach on Aug 3, 2009 1:11:20 GMT 8
where have you been slow light? anong walang problema? ang dami, this are some of them.
1. high registration fee on tournament
2. frat mentality of some clubs
3. UAPC during tournaments
4. rules on tournaments are not being follow or being implemented
5. no single guideline on tournament rule
6. too much politicking on tournaments ( cheating )
is this what you called walang problema, are you blind.
i think denski have a masters degree in the art of twisting and manipulating other peoples statement, kung binasa mo ang mga suggestion ko on the early part of this forum, it is clearly stated " it should have a true democratic set up were MEMBER teams should participate in it's decision making " is this what you call a dictatorship. your suggestion is the one that i think is despotic in nature, if you can still remember, at the start of this forum you are already discouraging people about this federation.
as i said before i am not directly involve in the creation of this federation but surely support it in my own little way, this is one of it, informing other people that there is a problem that has to be solve, what it is, why it is or who it is, and should have to be dealt with.
bragging your position in FAS, wow galing mo pala, by the way denski, i am a PNAS member.
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Post by Lowlight on Aug 3, 2009 7:09:33 GMT 8
ayun lumabas din, now this is the time for everybody to assess your 6 reasons why we need a federation, now everybody will be aware and will be able to assess if they really want the federation you are espousing with the reasons you posted... but did it ever occur to you that these can be resolved INTERNALLY by each club? and do you really think any club would like to be under an authority of another institution? for a short span of time siguro, but once somebody dissents because of some reason where will you go from there? until you resolved this issues internally and porpagate a sound mind to all clubs then you'll have your dream... airsoft is part hobby, part financial burden, and more recently part EGO (unfortunately)...
it's lowlight pre not a combination of slow action and lowlight, please don't use my username in vain matagal ko po itong pinag isipan so give a little respect naman, did i even resort to changing your name rambler? baka c denski yun do be a sport wag kang pikon
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Post by denski on Aug 3, 2009 8:53:02 GMT 8
Tama ka sir lowlight, lumabas nga. They want to force their own rules even if not everyone agrees to it.
ASG follows ASG rules. Luzon, Visayas and Mindanao chapters have been using those rules since time in memorial and no one, not people from other teams will change it. Only our mother chapter in Cebu has the right to amend it with the consultation of the chapters from each region. Most other teams and clubs have based their game rules from ASG.
Cost of game registration depends on the cost of gamesite construction and other services given. Good gamesite, good after game activities, good security, good medical services... cost money. When you start to lower down cost, some things will suffer. No clear security? Magulo ang games. Gamesite not well constructed? Accidents will happen. No medical services? Games will be medieval. Now you guys are being unreasonable and what you guys want are unintelligent and unproductive.
When has ASG lost control of its handled events? Aber...
See... Since they cant influence or control... this federation is built on forcefull conformity. This is not based on agreements from all teams.
All teams included? Sigurado ka? Dito palang sinisiraan mo na ang ASG eh. Obviously naghahanap ka lang ng kakampi. Looks like this federation will choose only allies and friends. Those who do not agree with your unreasonable ideas will get marginalized. Discouraging a federation? Baka gusto mo translate ko pa yung una kong post para ma-intindihan mo. I support federations that are professionalized... not this kind of twisted federation you guys want.
Now everybody can assess the real purpose of this twisted federation. This federation is a sham. It is exactly what I posted above "An airsoft federation against those who dont join up."
With sir lowlight's, our VP internal, permition... I propose that ASG give protection to teams being bullied by this federation into conformity.
I'm a staff of FAS... bakit inggit ka? What about it? Pati bah naman yan gawan mo ng issue? Asus hahaha pikon ka?
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Post by slowaction on Aug 3, 2009 10:36:24 GMT 8
Easy guys. You are starting to call each other names. Lets keep it healthy.
Why don't we give this federation a chance? Let them concretize their ideas. It ain't easy nga raw so give them the benefit of the doubt. At least, they made public what they wanted to address.
Surely, we will protect the oppressed. Come to us and we will give you rest! tantaran hahahaha
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