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Post by ZeeZeeTop on Dec 12, 2006 11:37:44 GMT 8
would a pistonhead with bearing plus springguide with bearing add stress to the gears and motor?  |
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Post by 9th on Dec 12, 2006 14:13:58 GMT 8
huh...why? we need expert opinion of this... heheh
~jojo~
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Post by rhomer on Dec 12, 2006 21:52:35 GMT 8
hmm ...... i think it's the other way around ...... especially when using high tension springs such as M130 up ...... the bearing in both pistonhead and spring guide helps smoothen the turning acton of the spring during compression and decompression thus minimizes the stress to the gears.
my opinion only mga sirs ...
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Post by SANDMAN on Dec 13, 2006 8:06:13 GMT 8
Ganun din tingin ko sir jade- tama si sir Rhomer...
The only time that i think the piston head w/bearing and spring guide w/bearing will add stress to your gearbox components would be when the springs are too long and you can't get full compression with the bearings installed. This is most noticable with long springs like SP130 and sometimes SP140.
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Post by ZeeZeeTop on Dec 13, 2006 9:50:36 GMT 8
isip ko nga it doesn't add stress pero sabi naman ng iba na it adds stress kuno kasi it acts as spacers daw, mas mahirap daw i-crank ng motor... d ko nga ma gets eh....
tsaka para meron rin post dito sa technical section natin about this. hahahaha ;D
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Post by snyper on Dec 13, 2006 19:10:44 GMT 8
my question would be if it adds tension they why in the hell did they make those in the first place? Just my two cents, ala naman akong alam sa mga aegs eh. Pero logically, why would anyone make something that would add more stress to the setup?
I bet the MORE experienced airsmiths are better off in answering the question. peace!
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Post by denski on Jan 13, 2007 16:45:16 GMT 8
Nge! hahaha
Adding spacers is an old school trick to enhance FPS and spring. Spacers add stress if the parts you installed in your gun cannot handle how hard your gun shoots (eg kuripot upgrades). Spacers may add stress to your gears, piston, cylinder and battery if it is not upgraded to the fps you want or have.
Spring guide bearing eases stress to your spring as it is compressed and retracted.... it will turn in its place. Thats what the bearing is for... to facilitate spring turning. Spring guide, as the name suggests guides your spring in place. This upgrade prohibits your spring from breaking and losing its power.
Pistonhead with bearing is an upgrade to limit piston and cylinder slamming. Especially needed if you have metal/aluminum pistons installed. Polycarbs are lighter on the slamming. The piston also moves slightly as it slams on your cylinder wall (it doesnt turn though). The bearing limits too much friction from slight turning and slamming.
Doesnt matter if your springs are too long so long as the moving parts such as the gears pistons cylinders are upgraded properly... also batery power is just right for the fps you want.
BTW... longer springs need spring guides more than the shorter ones.
Stress on the motors only occurs when battery power and spring hardness is not balanced. With the right upgrades, stock motors can handle 280 to 550fps.
Equal distribution of upgrades. If you upgrade one part, you have to upgrade other parts that is affected by it.
Everything boils down into durability and performance balance.
You dont really need those parts for stock guns. Those upgrade parts are for upgraded AEGs with stronger springs.
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Post by PATHFINDER on Jan 22, 2007 20:40:21 GMT 8
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Post by PATHFINDER on Jan 22, 2007 20:55:15 GMT 8
I agree with that sir denski...but there are still aeg smiths who wants "TO DO MORE THAN THE SCIENTIFIC APPROACH AND STANDARD DESIGNS OF AEG UPGRADING FACTORIES" kaya mas lalong lumalaki ang chances being broken down ang aeg... specifically in the designs of feeding sector,ung iba me misfid ring or chip kung tawagin nila,but sa totoo lang misfid can be easily eliminated wit out using any ring or chip at di na kelangan nililiha di ba sir dens ,bak to the topic sirs,ang kelangan lang ay ung right parts to right upgrades lyk sir denski is talking about!!! kelangan lang match ung mga pyesa mga sir,kaya nga may mga level of upgrades ryt...100% to 300% of torque and stress ,hope in any way i did contribute something to the topic..nice day!
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Post by denski on Jan 27, 2007 1:50:16 GMT 8
Yup  at meron ding iba basta nalang lagay ng lagay ng kung ano ano sa loob ng baril dahil sa sobrang dami ng pera... mamigay naman kayo sa akin  Maraming simple solutions to simple problems. The answer is not always to spend.... konting epoxy... konting electrical tape... konting adjustment lang... tightening lang ng screws... alamin lang talaga kung ano ang specific problem. hehehe there are some smiths (not all ha) that overdo things so that you can spend more... the more your gun breaks down the better for them kaya Minsan konting linis lang ng barrel or nung mag, ayos na misfeed mo eh ... or a change of bb brand... or hop rubber replacement... or because your barrel/hop mech wasnt properly installed... |
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Post by Oakley ( Ka Ryan ) on Jan 27, 2007 6:32:12 GMT 8
Agree ako kay sir Denskie personal experience ko mga sir sa Hop up rubber ko before hindi siya talagang tight fit na parang condom kumbaga medyo maluwag so i tried to put some amount of teflon tape para sisikip siya at walang airleaks. Sa awa naman eh nasolve ang probs ko from 360 fps gone up to 390 fps di nga ako makapaniwala un pala ang isa sa malaking probs kung bakit ang hirap iakyat ng fps ng beng2 ko. Unit: M15A4 CQB compact Stock set up pa lahat except sa spring PDI 190 gamit ko. IB lenght 200 mm @ 6.08 mm stock. Idea lang po mga sir. thanks.  |
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