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Post by ROSCOE on Feb 20, 2008 11:18:50 GMT 8
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Post by dninja on Feb 20, 2008 11:37:06 GMT 8
galing n2 sir! cgurado mahal..!
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Post by ☼-DÉÅTH DEÅLER-☼ on Feb 20, 2008 12:33:01 GMT 8
astig! 1 aeg na cguro presyo nito! hehehe ;D
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Post by stealth_assasin on Feb 20, 2008 13:56:31 GMT 8
12k plus sa my airsoft hobby shop along camus ;D
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Post by ROSCOE on Feb 20, 2008 18:48:29 GMT 8
12k plus sa my airsoft hobby shop along camus ;D sure ka pao? murag prototype pa ning systema revolution gearbox. hehehehe. summer 2008 pa daw irelease wala pa presyo noh.  but im sure kung ma release na ni mopalit gyud ka ani hehehe. |
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Post by ROSCOE on Feb 20, 2008 18:53:49 GMT 8
no more tappet plate
no more anti -reverse latch
no more cut off lever
ang switch assemby naay ECU
+1 gear
new nozzle design
;D ;D
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Post by stealth_assasin on Feb 20, 2008 21:45:37 GMT 8
yes vin, kita ko dun, pero black ang spring. dba silver man mga systema springs
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Post by ROSCOE on Feb 21, 2008 6:45:52 GMT 8
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Post by miklo on Feb 21, 2008 18:39:37 GMT 8
mismo!
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Post by 9th on Feb 21, 2008 21:09:47 GMT 8
Full MP5-A4 AEG with systema rev worth $995US... as in 40K in pesos...  Let say nasa 1/3 ang price sa systema rev...  |
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Post by stealth_assasin on Feb 23, 2008 15:43:44 GMT 8
mali pla ako ;D hehehe... dpende vin kay prang 2 baril na ang presyo
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Post by daroyski on Mar 2, 2008 9:55:48 GMT 8
eto lang ang masasabi ko... ACIDA OI!!!
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Post by korn on Mar 13, 2008 18:19:22 GMT 8
may na lang duol ra ang china diri..hehehe clone clone china china rules!!
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Post by SANDMAN on May 4, 2008 0:47:55 GMT 8
Para sa mga tamad mu-click sa link sa systema:
SYSTEMA Revolution Frequently Asked Questions
Q. When will the Revolution be available for order?
A. Final R&D is scheduled to be completed by the end of March 2008, with tooling and production to begin shortly thereafter.
Q. What is the retail price?
A. The final retail price has not yet been set, and may differ from country to country due to logistic cost, import duty, tax, and other factors. However we are working diligently to offer the Revolution at the best possible price. Please check with your region's retailer / distributor for your local retail price.
Q. What is "Version 2 Compatible? Isn't the Revolution a brand-new product?
A. "Version 2" refers to the second generation of Tokyo Marui's mecha box (gearbox) design, which is used in their M4, M16, MP5, and G3 series airsoft rifles. However, internally speaking the Revolution shares very little with the TM Version 2 mecha box. When we say "Version 2 Compatible" it is in reference to the external shape only; meaning the Revolution will fit inside any AEG body that is designed to accept a TM Version 2 Mecha Box. You should not attempt to install TM Version 2 components inside the Revolution.
Q. Does that mean the Revolution will work in my Classic Army (or insert name of your favorite AEG manufacturer) M4?
A. As long as the manufacturer strictly adheres to the Tokyo Marui design specifications, the Revolution will fit snugly and perfectly. However, throughout the years we have learned that as manufacturing processes change, some AEGs have morphed slightly from their original shape (be it due to design changes or deviation in manufacturing tolerances) that some dimensions have becomes slightly out-of-spec. Therefore, the Revolution may fit perfectly in some brands of AEGs but require modification on other brands. Since Tokyo Marui technically has never officially allowed anyone to "clone" their mecha box, these variations are impossible to predict. However, in light of compatibility concerns, many reputable AEG manufacturers have attempted to keep their AEGs "in-spec" with TM mecha box standards whenever possible. As of this writing, most mainstream M4/M16 AEGs on the market will accept the Revolution with no (or very minor) modifications. Once the Revolution is officially released, we will compile a compatibility list based on user feedback.
Q. Is there going to be a "Version 3 Compatible" Revolution?
A. As of this writing there are no development plans for a "Version-3 Compatible" Revolution, however we do not rule out future possibilities. Once the new product has hit the ground running, we will have more R&D resources that we can devote to other projects.
Q. What is "Electronic Trigger Control" and why is it cool?
A. Traditionally, all AEGs have used mechanical trigger controls where the trigger simply serves as the "on/off" switch. To achieve semi-auto operation, a mechanical lever disconnects the trigger's electrical contact based on sector gear position. This mechanism works but has several drawbacks. First of which being mechanical components wear out over time. Many older AEGs have unreliable (or non-existent) semi-auto function because the "knob" on the sector gear and/or the "cut-off lever" are so worn-out. Secondly, mechanical cut-offs are inconsistent, leading to undesirable piston position between each shot. Thirdly, because the traditional design solely relies on the trigger as the electrical conduit, if the user "tap" the trigger too briefly it may cause the mecha box to only cycle half-way, leaving the piston "cocked" without firing a BB (which can increase the risk of accidental discharge in some instances). Forth, the trigger's electrical contact, especially when using high-power upgrades, are subject to heavy electrical loads which will frequently result in undesirable sparks. The sparks may not cause any fire hazard, but often create carbon deposits on the switch assembly. This effect can completely disable the trigger in a very short period of time. By replacing the decade-old trigger system with cutting edge electronic trigger, all of the previous drawbacks are eliminated while adding advanced functions to the trigger.
Q. What "Advanced Functions" are added with the Electronic Trigger?
A. First of all, the mecha box will always perform a complete cycle whenever a user pulls the trigger. This feature greatly improves realism as it operates far closer to a real firearm, without the need to practice "trigger hold" (keeping the trigger depressed until the mecha box completes its cycle). Furthermore, we are able to introduce "true" 3-shot burst function to a TM-style AEG. True 3-shot burst traditionally had only been available on gas blow back airsoft guns (via mechanical lever), or on our own PTW using the same electronic trigger control. All other "burst" feature use either a timer (such as the TM SIG series) or some kind of device that monitors the voltage fluctuations during firing. Both approaches had their drawbacks and were never reliable enough to always fire 3 shots when you needed it.
Q. How did you achieve Electronic Trigger Control?
A. The SYSTEMA Electronic Control Unit (ECU) employs advanced computer algorisms and optical sensors to detect the position of the sector gear, and instructs the Switch Device to apply voltage to the motor (including reversed current for braking effect) at very precise moments. By the combination of advanced monitoring and power delivery, we were able to achieve instantaneous trigger response and reliable, complete cycles every time. The technology has been honed and perfected over the years in our PTW product lines, and has proven to work extremely well even in adverse environments.
Q. Why is there no Tappet Plates, and how did you achieve that?
A. Revolution Nozzle OperationThe reason we wanted to remove the tappet plate is simple: It is unreliable and prone to breakage. To replace the tappet plate, we designed a new nozzle setup that allows the piston head to grab the rear-end of the nozzle directly. During the piston's withdrawal stage, it will pull the nozzle back allowing the next BB to feed. Once the piston reaches a certain position, it releases the nozzle which springs forward, chambering the BB. Once the piston is released (fired), it grabs the nozzle again and the cycle repeats. This new design achieves a completely linear force on nozzle movement, with zero lateral torque that is common to the old tappet plate design. We found that it is far more reliable than the tappet plate design and we are very satisfied with its performance.
Q. Why did you choose a 4-gear setup instead of the traditional 3-gear setup?
A. There are several reasons for the 4-gear setup. First of all, by introducing the 4th gear we are able to further expand the gear ratio beyond what is possible with Marui's 3-gear setup. Although this does allow for increased torque, more importantly we are interested in the increased freedom to fine-tune our gear ratios. For example we have developed a specifically tuned motor for the 4-gear Revolution that offers unprecedented trigger response in any Version 2 mecha box. In addition, by minimizing each gear's overall diameter we can reduce each gear's orbital variation under rotation, thus improving gear stability and tooth-mating accuracy. Think about trying to tilt two dinner plates, with one of it being half the size of the other. If you tilt the small plate by 1 degree, its edge might be lifted by 2mm. However, if you tilt the large place (at twice the size) also 1 degree, its edge would be lifted by 4mm instead. The same can be said with using smaller gears; it minimizes the variation, limits vibration, and improves gear mating — resulting in smoother operation.
Q. In regards to the new piston: Very few polycarbonate pistons on the market offer full-length rack gear inserts, because they seem to be unreliable. Why did SYSTEMA use a full-length rack gear?
A. First of all, the full-length metal rack gear inserts are rare among polycarbonate pistons because the distance between the mecha box's main spring and the sector gear simply isn't enough. You can also think of it as the outer wall of the piston are being limited (too thin). In order to install a full-length rack gear successfully in a traditional TM piston, the "base" of the rack gear must be made very thin, or significant materials must be removed from the underside of the polycarbonate piston. Either method compromises the stability and durability of the final piston assembly.
Revolution Piston IllustrationTo illustrate, if you look at the cross-section of a traditional piston with full-length rack gear, you will noticed that the piston is shaped more like a "C" then an "O". This is very undesirable because the piston's side-wall is allowed to flex, especially during impact - and the end result is frequently dislodged rack gears. For the Revolution, what we've done is that instead of "patching" the problem, we addressed it from the root by first reducing both the spring's and spring-guide's diameter, thus allowing us to re-shape the piston's outer wall. With the new design, besides having ample space to fully support the full-length rack gear, we were also able to slightly reduced the overall size of the piston to reduce weight, and thickened the side wall to increase strength. This provides a performance level far exceeding any piston design on the market today.
Q. Is there any drawback on using smaller diameter main spring?
A. Technically, no. Under our extensive R&D testing, we've found that not only does the smaller spring exhibits sufficient resistance to "bucking", they have also shown superior properties against "weakening" (gradual lost of tension after repeated compression / de-compression). This directly translates to more durable springs that maintain a consistent output over their life.
Q. I remember the PTW pistons are shorter then TM pistons. Are the Revolution pistons also shorter then traditional TM pistons?
A. Yes the piston used in the Revolution is shorter then original TM pistons, and we actually also reduced piston travel as well. This decision was in part inspired by modern Formula-1 engines: for them to operate at such extreme RPM while maintaining reasonable reliability (some F-1 engines rotate at nearly 20,000 RPM), a short-stroke engine design must be used. In similar token, we shortened the piston's size and travel in the Revolution to improve operational reliability. When combined with the improved efficiencies gained from other components, we were also able to maintain the same or higher power output (compared to a similarly equipped TM mecha box), while reducing energy consumption and improved trigger response. Since some of the engineering concepts are more complicated, we've prepared a separate white paper for the technical-savvy readers. The technical white paper is available HERE.
Q. Why is SYSTEMA so adamant about using polycarbonate pistons? Wouldn't aluminum pistons work better?
A. Yes aluminum pistons can indeed be used and provide some of the benefits without going through such extensive modification, but aluminum pistons have two major drawbacks: 1) it weights significantly more then polycarbonate, slowing down the cycle rate and robbing performance; and 2) aluminum teeth can never be as strong as the purpose-made steel rack gears installed in our new piston. Some may argue that by using CNC-machined, T-7075 aircraft-grade aluminum and boring holes in key areas can achieve similar (or even better) results, which can be true if executed correctly. However, the benefit (if any) offered by a such a setup cannot be easily justified against the significantly higher cost. We strongly believe that our polycarbonate piston with full-length rack gear provides the best price-to-performance ratio in any piston setup.
Q. Are any of the Revolution's components backward-compatible with traditional TM mecha box design? Why?
A. During initial planning of the Revolution, we made a conscious decision to minimize component-sharing between the Revolution and TM Version-2 mecha box. First of all we do not want any limitations to linger among our engineers by imposing unnecessary "backward compatibility" requirements. Only by letting them "think outside the box" can we develop the ultimate mecha box for our loyal users. Secondly, establishing an entirely new standard for components also offers our users a peace of mind that they may not currently enjoy. To speak more clearly, there are so many "TM compatible mecha box components" out there that we have, unfortunately, come across some very poorly made parts. For the uneducated users, it is very easy to have chosen the wrong parts (be it due to price or other factors) that, for example, may led them to accidentally install a poorly made gear set. Although most of them will seem to work just fine initially, many have been known to prematurely fail or cause damages to other components. By establishing and maintaining all new components for the Revolution, we can minimize the chance of poorly made components getting mixed-in into our user's mecha box. This is very valuable for long-term use, especially when we fully expect our users to rely on their Revolutions for years to come.
Q. /td> I have more questions. Who do I ask?
A. If you have any questions that are not answered in the above FAQ, please feel free to e-mail Sales@ZShot.com and we will try to respond to you as soon as possible! As we get more "frequently asked questions" we will be sure to update this FAQ as well.
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