Post by myles on Dec 5, 2007 0:10:22 GMT 8
Tokyo Marui GBB Comparisons
SIG P226, TM 5.1, TM 4.3 and Glock 26 Advanced.
Tokyo Marui has been making some very nice compact/large GBBs for the last 3 years. Here are four that I would be happy to own. (in-fact I have two of them)
A bit of history on each. The Glock is based on the Glock 26, but has had a compensator added, bringing it in line with the appearance and looks of the Glock that is used in “Ghost in the Shell”. The 5.1 and 4.3 are also fictitious guns, but based on a 2011 design. The SIG P226 is based on... the SIG P226.
Prices
All bar the Glock cost $790HK (plus shipping). The Glock is $690 (plus shipping)
The prices for the magazines are all $180HK each(shipping etc). Most intriguing.(prices from GnG)
Glock 4 points, the rest all 1 point each.
Ergonomics/comfort.
Starting with the G26A, this would be the most 'plasticcy' of the bunch. Weighing in at 653g (weights are according to WGC.) the weight of this thing actual feels less than that of the base Glock 26 (590g). This is because of the extra plastic (abs) that spreads the mass out...the plastic compensator as well as the magazine-well extension. For my hand, it digs slightly into the palm... more so than the standard G26.
The SIG P226 has a nice smooth curve to the pistol butt and with a far better heft (797g) to the whole thing. The controls fall very nicely to the thumb: I can eject the magazine, decock the P226 and release the slide. The Glock 26A is not quite as 'nice' to perform those tasks and with the 4.3 and 5.1... forget it. The slide stop is so far from your thumb that it is not funny. Well, that is an exaggeration. The thumb IS close to the slide stop, just the the pad of the thumb is about 10mm too far away from being able to connect. Not an issue with a two-handed stance however. The thumb safety on the 5.1 is quite 'rough' in feel, the 4.3 is not. I do not know if this is because the 4.3 is a single-sided safety to the 5.1's double-sided safety though. The heft of the 5.1 (894g) and 4.3 (850g) are quite nice though but it could be because of the extra weigh that is present and the metal receiver of each.
The trigger-safety on the G26A is more noticeable than that on the KSC range of Glocks - more 'pointed' but also makes getting a nice 'feel' on the trigger finger harder to achieve. The 5.1 has a longer pull than the 4.3 with the SIG being about the same as the 4.3. I prefer the 4.3s trigger pull and feel myself.
Glock 1 point, TM 5.1 2 points, TM 4.3 3 points, P226 4 points
Targeting.
Kind of simple this really. The Glock is annoying with the lack of “U”Glock rear sight. The sight present on it is a copy of the Novak style, but TM have not put dots on this either. Grrr. The 5.1 came with a very nice large white dot on the front Post, but nothing on the rear. I have had to paint my own on (using UV reactive paint) The rear sight is a copy of the Wilson Combat sight - fully adjustable. Finally we are at the SIG226. YAY! Dots front and rear for sighting. Great.
P226 4 points. Rest have 1 point each.
Magazine efficiency.
Ok folks, I had only propane here, which is not the best I realise. They would have faired far better on HFC134a, however some stinker/s stole/used mine at a game one time, and I have not replaced it. As mentioned above, the prices are the same: 180HK each so what boils down will be the capacity and how many shots out of a full magazine fill it would take.
The temperature was 20deg.
The shots were:
P226 - 75
Glock - 75
TM 5.1 - 71
TM 4.3 – 69
Hmm. remember that this was with propane. The last efficiency test that I did was with propane and HFC134a, with the TM 5.1 doing 100shots on a full tank of HFC134a. These results are still relevant however, as most people use propane here, and I would expect to get at least 20% shots out of a full magazine, owing to 'battle conditions' and so forth. Not forgetting the weather also has a big effect on the gas efficiency too.
P226 and Glock 4 points each. 5.1 and 4.3 both get 2 points.
FPS
Sorry, I don't have figures for all of them at once... I couldn't get the chrono going properly. I know the P226 at stock does near 310 or so, the 5.1 does 330, the 4.3 a bit less, and the Glock 26A.. umm.. Sorry..
No points, but I believe that the 5.1 would win this one.
Aftermarket parts
Goodness gracious me. You have to keep 'your Preciousssss' running now and there are a lot to choose from, in terms of accessories and also maintainence.
The 4.3 and 5.1 both have parts available for valves, springs, slides, frames, hammers, sights, grips, mounts, hammers, sears. Mega bonus points for a whole plethora of copies.
The P226 has parts for springs, frames and slides (some of which are not very good). A bonus point for the KJW P226 for some extra bits and bobs.
The G26A has not the same degree of parts available. A few slides, some springs, some valves, but it also has bonus points in that KJW has released not just a G27 (for spares) but also the G23 and G32c, both of which have the same magazine (and bits) from the G26A.
The 5.1 and 4.3 get 4 points, P226 gets 2 and the G26A gets 1.
Accessories
Well, they all have rails. Weird but true. The angle of the Glock rail though is different slightly to the others. The SIG and TM 4.3 have rails built into the frame, whereas the TM 5.1 has the ability to have a rail attached to the receiver. I have seen lights and lasers mounted to the all bar the Glock.
G26A gets one point, the rest get 4 equal.
Maintainence
The P226 is the hardest and fiddliest to pull apart out of these GBBs. So many small springs that can be damaged or disappear into the distance, never to be seen again. The 4.3 and 5.1 are the same as each other (barring the slide, where the rear sights play a slight difference), and the Glock is well, a bit fiddly too. The SIG's annoying areas are the trigger assembly and the hammer assembly: those small springs. The areas to watch out for on the G26 are the hammer unit, and in the two 2011 clones, the safety and the hammer assembly are most grrr. The O-ring is also something to watch out for on the two HiCapacity beasts, not so much as straight away but over time and use with propane. There is a small piece inside the SIG's blowback chamber that has failed on at least one that I have seen, which massively increases the us of gas during operation, but at least the slide is easy enough to get into to replace that part.
P226 gets one point, the Glock gets 2, the other two get four.
The Results
TM 5.1 = 18
TM 4.3 = 19
P226 = 20
G26A = 17
Well, there ya have it. The P226 wins on points, but that is about it. They are all very good GBBs from Tokyo Marui and no matter which one of these you get, you have a winner. I have not included things such as 'recoil' or 'trigger', because I have no way of measuring them. I have also not considered areas that some others consider important, such as markings.
My (WEGE of airsoft new zealand) personal choice out of these? The 4.3.
Enjoy
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SIG P226, TM 5.1, TM 4.3 and Glock 26 Advanced.
Tokyo Marui has been making some very nice compact/large GBBs for the last 3 years. Here are four that I would be happy to own. (in-fact I have two of them)
A bit of history on each. The Glock is based on the Glock 26, but has had a compensator added, bringing it in line with the appearance and looks of the Glock that is used in “Ghost in the Shell”. The 5.1 and 4.3 are also fictitious guns, but based on a 2011 design. The SIG P226 is based on... the SIG P226.
Prices
All bar the Glock cost $790HK (plus shipping). The Glock is $690 (plus shipping)
The prices for the magazines are all $180HK each(shipping etc). Most intriguing.(prices from GnG)
Glock 4 points, the rest all 1 point each.
Ergonomics/comfort.
Starting with the G26A, this would be the most 'plasticcy' of the bunch. Weighing in at 653g (weights are according to WGC.) the weight of this thing actual feels less than that of the base Glock 26 (590g). This is because of the extra plastic (abs) that spreads the mass out...the plastic compensator as well as the magazine-well extension. For my hand, it digs slightly into the palm... more so than the standard G26.
The SIG P226 has a nice smooth curve to the pistol butt and with a far better heft (797g) to the whole thing. The controls fall very nicely to the thumb: I can eject the magazine, decock the P226 and release the slide. The Glock 26A is not quite as 'nice' to perform those tasks and with the 4.3 and 5.1... forget it. The slide stop is so far from your thumb that it is not funny. Well, that is an exaggeration. The thumb IS close to the slide stop, just the the pad of the thumb is about 10mm too far away from being able to connect. Not an issue with a two-handed stance however. The thumb safety on the 5.1 is quite 'rough' in feel, the 4.3 is not. I do not know if this is because the 4.3 is a single-sided safety to the 5.1's double-sided safety though. The heft of the 5.1 (894g) and 4.3 (850g) are quite nice though but it could be because of the extra weigh that is present and the metal receiver of each.
The trigger-safety on the G26A is more noticeable than that on the KSC range of Glocks - more 'pointed' but also makes getting a nice 'feel' on the trigger finger harder to achieve. The 5.1 has a longer pull than the 4.3 with the SIG being about the same as the 4.3. I prefer the 4.3s trigger pull and feel myself.
Glock 1 point, TM 5.1 2 points, TM 4.3 3 points, P226 4 points
Targeting.
Kind of simple this really. The Glock is annoying with the lack of “U”Glock rear sight. The sight present on it is a copy of the Novak style, but TM have not put dots on this either. Grrr. The 5.1 came with a very nice large white dot on the front Post, but nothing on the rear. I have had to paint my own on (using UV reactive paint) The rear sight is a copy of the Wilson Combat sight - fully adjustable. Finally we are at the SIG226. YAY! Dots front and rear for sighting. Great.
P226 4 points. Rest have 1 point each.
Magazine efficiency.
Ok folks, I had only propane here, which is not the best I realise. They would have faired far better on HFC134a, however some stinker/s stole/used mine at a game one time, and I have not replaced it. As mentioned above, the prices are the same: 180HK each so what boils down will be the capacity and how many shots out of a full magazine fill it would take.
The temperature was 20deg.
The shots were:
P226 - 75
Glock - 75
TM 5.1 - 71
TM 4.3 – 69
Hmm. remember that this was with propane. The last efficiency test that I did was with propane and HFC134a, with the TM 5.1 doing 100shots on a full tank of HFC134a. These results are still relevant however, as most people use propane here, and I would expect to get at least 20% shots out of a full magazine, owing to 'battle conditions' and so forth. Not forgetting the weather also has a big effect on the gas efficiency too.
P226 and Glock 4 points each. 5.1 and 4.3 both get 2 points.
FPS
Sorry, I don't have figures for all of them at once... I couldn't get the chrono going properly. I know the P226 at stock does near 310 or so, the 5.1 does 330, the 4.3 a bit less, and the Glock 26A.. umm.. Sorry..
No points, but I believe that the 5.1 would win this one.
Aftermarket parts
Goodness gracious me. You have to keep 'your Preciousssss' running now and there are a lot to choose from, in terms of accessories and also maintainence.
The 4.3 and 5.1 both have parts available for valves, springs, slides, frames, hammers, sights, grips, mounts, hammers, sears. Mega bonus points for a whole plethora of copies.
The P226 has parts for springs, frames and slides (some of which are not very good). A bonus point for the KJW P226 for some extra bits and bobs.
The G26A has not the same degree of parts available. A few slides, some springs, some valves, but it also has bonus points in that KJW has released not just a G27 (for spares) but also the G23 and G32c, both of which have the same magazine (and bits) from the G26A.
The 5.1 and 4.3 get 4 points, P226 gets 2 and the G26A gets 1.
Accessories
Well, they all have rails. Weird but true. The angle of the Glock rail though is different slightly to the others. The SIG and TM 4.3 have rails built into the frame, whereas the TM 5.1 has the ability to have a rail attached to the receiver. I have seen lights and lasers mounted to the all bar the Glock.
G26A gets one point, the rest get 4 equal.
Maintainence
The P226 is the hardest and fiddliest to pull apart out of these GBBs. So many small springs that can be damaged or disappear into the distance, never to be seen again. The 4.3 and 5.1 are the same as each other (barring the slide, where the rear sights play a slight difference), and the Glock is well, a bit fiddly too. The SIG's annoying areas are the trigger assembly and the hammer assembly: those small springs. The areas to watch out for on the G26 are the hammer unit, and in the two 2011 clones, the safety and the hammer assembly are most grrr. The O-ring is also something to watch out for on the two HiCapacity beasts, not so much as straight away but over time and use with propane. There is a small piece inside the SIG's blowback chamber that has failed on at least one that I have seen, which massively increases the us of gas during operation, but at least the slide is easy enough to get into to replace that part.
P226 gets one point, the Glock gets 2, the other two get four.
The Results
TM 5.1 = 18
TM 4.3 = 19
P226 = 20
G26A = 17
Well, there ya have it. The P226 wins on points, but that is about it. They are all very good GBBs from Tokyo Marui and no matter which one of these you get, you have a winner. I have not included things such as 'recoil' or 'trigger', because I have no way of measuring them. I have also not considered areas that some others consider important, such as markings.
My (WEGE of airsoft new zealand) personal choice out of these? The 4.3.
Enjoy
***from airsoft.net.nz
