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Post by denski on Apr 19, 2006 3:08:05 GMT 8
Duties:
1. Recon 2. Support 3. Assassination
What differentiates a sniper and marskman from assault is long ranged precision shooting. What differentiates a sniper from marksman is the heavy use of cammo and hiding techniques (sight, sound, smell, etc). Marksmen and snipers choose their targets. High level targets only:
1. VIP 2. Team leaders 3. Gunners 4. Radiomen 5. Really good players and vets 6. Arseholes and zombies
Leave the assault job to assault personnel. You kill less than they do but your kills are important. Besides, this is a team sport. You do not operate alone. You operate in a group that has specific roles and jobs.
Snipers are never seen. Markmen just do precision shooting therefore is a notch below snipers.
Any one can hide from a concealed position. It doesnt mean he is a sniper.
Do you mean to say even if I use a pistol and hide under bushes I'm still called a sniper? Nah... your deluding yourself. When a sniper is using his pistol, he is not playing as a sniper anymore... thats CQB pistol fighting.
remember the keywords: "Precision long range shooting done with heavy emphasis on cammo and hiding abilites."
An airsoft sniper is identified by the way he plays and not the way he looks. Buying a ghillie suit, sniper gun and wearing them in a game does not make you an airsoft sniper... although it may make you look like one.
Primary weapons for snipers are BASRs. Primary weapon for marksmen are AEG sniper rifle platforms. Highly upgraded BASRs are more accurate and precise than highly upgraded AEG sniper rifle platform.
Why shoot at long distances with precision? When your using a BASR (bolt action sniper rifle) you are at a dis-advatage at close range:
1. You cannot do fast aqcuisition of targets... not with a scope and a very long rifle. With an RDS (red dot scope) and short assault submachine gun yes... because these guns are built just for that. 2. One shot, one kill. You only have one shot compared to a shower of bbs from an AEG. 3. Your greatest advantage is long range precision shooting. Use it. 4. If you are discovered, you still can high tail it out of there and disappear. Its a tactical advantage. You take down an enemy when you are out of his range.
Disadvantages of a sniper:
1. Tunnel vision 2. Limited ammo 3. One shot one kill 4. CQB fighting scenarios 5. Mobility and maneuverability
Sniper hunters be aware of this. If you want to kill a sniper, get close. Do not fight them at their advantage. What is their advantage? Range and precision. Best place to shoot and attack them is the side and the back. They are blind at these spots thats why spotters are recruited. In airsoft, the spotters job is to protect the sniper in CQB situations where he is vulnerable. They only see what they can see in their scopes. Keep moving, they cannot lock onto you.
Snipers do not go one on one with an AEG when your in range of their weapon. You will lose. You run and hide. Shoot when they dont know where you are. Save your shots. You only have one shot so make it count. Shoot when you are sure you will hit him les lose valuable time cycling your bolt for a second shot.
Why is it hard to play as a sniper in Philippne gaming situations? Why are snipers sometimes useless in some game scenarios?
1. Most clubs primarily play fast games. Snipers need time to set up a hide. They need time to disappear. Marksmen can still play though. 2. Most play CQB. In CQB snipers are in a disadvantage... unless he is setup somehwere outside for precision long range shots. 3. Most clubs do assault type games. 4. Most clubs restrict sniper rifles to the same fps level as AEG rifles. No definite range advantage there... the only thing that will keep you usefull. 5. Not many know how to play it right.
Gears airsoft snipers use:
1. Ghillie suit 2. Sniper rifle 3. Pistol 4. Radio with throat mic and pinky ptt 5. Hydration pack
You dont need much ammo. You choose your shots remember? You shoot with precision accuracy right? If you spray and pray... go play the gunner role.
A sniper rifle that doesnt shoot accurately and with range is not a sniper rifle. A sniper rifle that doesnt outrange an assault AEG is not a sniper rifle. If it looks like a sniper rifle but doesnt shoot like one, its not a sniper rifle.
...its just a damn wallflower.
To be continued... antok na ako.
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Post by SANDMAN on Apr 19, 2006 10:21:58 GMT 8
Thanks again for sharing sir Denski- abangan ko ang continuation sir ha... dami rin akong comments kung bakit di applicable ang Sniper BASR sa Airsoft games dito sa Davao.. number one reason... - "Z"!!!! Pag single shot lang ang tumama sa kanila- kala nila "stray" lang or "ricochet". Kelangan full auto burst para manilwala sila na "legitimate HIT" siya!
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Post by rjc670 on Apr 19, 2006 11:14:47 GMT 8
i concur! kahilakon pirmi ang among sniper ana ba! sayang gud ang gi-spot nako para sa iya tapos naka-"GOD" mode diay. hahay...
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Post by snyper on Apr 19, 2006 14:40:20 GMT 8
very well said, sir denski. I would want it just like the way you layed it out kaya lang, Napansin ko pag gamit ka talaga ng BASR, tapos tinira mo "Z" and medyo malayo na ang range pansin mo lilingon pa ang tinamaan to check kung kita nya sino tumira, kung ala syang makita parang wlang nangyari. Not unless you are in a range na masakit talaga yung tama or napurahan mo somewhere na manipis ang suot dats d time they will acknowledge.
Kaya I will opt for a a weapon na may full auto capability na lang. Ganda nga sana i-allow ang BASRs with say 500-600 FPS tapos 100ft min engagement range. Gaya sa ibang bansa, in fact sukatin mo 100ft malapit lang for a 500 fps aguy! Gamitan ko na lang ng skills.
Maybe dats wat i would call getting the best of both worlds. You get to play a sniper role, using a designated marskman rifle. What the heck to sum it up we just want to have fun. Dba?
Sana nga lang we can form a team na lahat honest na kahit tamaan mo lang ng isang bb aamin na ng hit at di na kailangan paliguan nag bb's baka later we'll find someone using SAW as a sniper platform. wahahahahahaha! Lingaw tingali, would you call it pinoy ingenuity? hihihi.
peace!
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Post by denski on Apr 20, 2006 4:43:58 GMT 8
Actually feasible man bigyan ng 100fps advantage ang mga BASRs. One bb at a minimum of 100feet engagement limit is not that painfull compared to a shower of bbs @ 400fps with no engagement limit at all. Think about it.
100feet minimum engagement limit is not only safe but also a tactical advantage for snipers. Snipers cannot shoot at close distances. Its not only unsafe but aslo a tactical mistake. They cannot shoot when they are in range of assault AEGs. Thats a death wish. Sigurado patay ka kasi lugi ka talaga with the number of bbs heading your way as retaliation.
Snipers who shoot way below the engagement limit is not only a lousy sniper, he is also a useless sniper. A dead sniper is a useless sniper.
Its not played as assualt. This playtype has a whole new level of game play. Utakay dula ani. Hindi rin pwede camper ka. If you stay for too long in one hide, sooner or later you will get discovered.
You need to have at least 3 hides. Two of which are your fall back positions. All are equally good hiding places with good vantage points.
The problem with full auto capability is that your precision goes down. Air comming out from the cylinder wont produce the same amount of force, therefore will make your shots unreliable. First shot will hit, second shot will not. Stretch of spring and placement of piston is different most of the time. Pus the barrel vibration produced by motor and piston slamming. Thats why BASRs are more precise than AEGs.
Thats why I suggest you get barrel spacers for your BASRs because this little device will limit barrel vibration. There are no barrel spacers available for AEGs.
Tactics:
Your number one duty is recon. You dont have to engage if it is not needed. All you have to do is use your radio and contact your assault group and inform them of the location of the tango squad. Let them do thier job.
Number two duty is support. You give precision shooting support to your assault group when they engage the tangos. This way, the tangos will be too busy to notice that your taking them out one by one.
Number three duty is assasination. You actively look for the best players in the tango group and take them out. These are imprtant kills. It lessens the headaches of your assault group.
If you have to shoot, shoot when there is a distraction. When the tango is shooting at something other than you... sabayan mo shots niya to muffle your own shots. If the tango is shooting at you... you slither away and go to your fall back hide. remember di ka assault, sniper ka... you dont have assault capabilites. So what do you do? Be sneaky.
Never never hide on top of trees or anywhere where you cant escape. These are death traps. When you are discovered, ala kang matatakbuhan.
Never hide in obvious places. A tower is an obvious place. Unless the assualt guns cant reach you and there is no way of climbing to get you then thats a good hide. But still... if they know you are there and that you are impenetrable... bakit ka nila lalapitan? Iiwas yan sayo.
Never let anyone see you. When your discovered. Patay ka sigurado.
Wag ka mag-ingay. When you make a kill, do not shout out of joy. Sira ulo ka. Binigyan mo sila ng paraan para mahanap location mo. Tahimik ka lang.
Psychological advantage... use it wisely. Kung alam nila successful sniper ka... mag-iingat na yan at di basta aatake. Di rin sila dadaan sa mga lugar kung akala nila andun ka at mahirap ka hanapin... kahit na wala ka ruon.
Never make more than 3 shots in one place. Lumipat ka na at gawin mo "SILENTLY." Mahuhuli ka kung papatagalin mo.
If you miss a shot, dont shoot anymore. Kung di ka napansin ulitin mo after ilang segundo. Never miss again. Kung napansin ka naman pero di ka nila nakita, lumiat ka na "silently."
Most of the time ala ka kills. If its not an important kill, do not waste your shots. Do recon work nalang.
If there is a high probability you will get discovered, dont make a shot.
Hehehe dont worry about the zombies. The important thing is you got them. You can see it clearly in your scope naman eh. Kung di siya aamin, its his loss. Basta you did your job right... you have bragging rights because you killed him using sniper tactics.
What we do here in ASG is we just play on. After the game we report this individual to the marshals who in turn report this to the officers. If this particular member is found to be erring in many ways, then he is given sanctions. After many sanctions and he still hasnt changed his play style, then he is booted out.
You want to eliminate zombies? Be strict with imposing your rules. Its really upto the officers. Mahina officers ninyo, marami kayong zombies. Ganayan lang yan. We dont need dishonest players who will destroy our fun and gaming. Kahit sino pang kupal yan. Walang mayaman o pobre. Walang vet or newbie. Pag nilabag ang batas ng club... punishemnt diretso. Lumipat siya sa ibang club kung gusto niya. Quallity over quantity.
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Post by snyper on Apr 20, 2006 9:09:38 GMT 8
Tama ka ser denski, with all due respect ganda sana kung lahat ng kalaro mo ka member mo lang, madali lang yung sanctions ipatupad. Like in your case sa grupo nyo, stricto, well organized and disciplined ang players as I have observed when I once watched one of your games as an observer.
Yun nga lang if you play with other teams, duna mu na ma experience yung mga masarap paliguan ng BB's. Anyway tama ka, its his loss. Sya man ang tikasan. hehehe
Thanks for making this part of the forum alive with your wisdom, Hope we could exchange BB's as snipers in the future. Kahit na chicom lang hawak namin. As they say wla nga sa pana nasa indian yan.
Happi airsoftin!
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Post by denski on Apr 20, 2006 15:34:34 GMT 8
Parang narinig ko na saying na yan ah. Dencio Tan yan ah hahaha. Hehehe wala sa pana pero kung ang kalaban mo may steyr aug na may precision accuracy na 165feet at less than 6 inches bb groupings... 450fps pa... matagal na ring naglalaro (equally magaling)... kakalot ng ulo ang indian.
Yung mga national games namin have strict rules. Kaya when we play against other teams wala masyado zombies. Point system rin eh. Binibigyan ng yellow to red to black card. Less point on the overall score.
Problem is yung mga friendly games lang. Importante talga marshals pre... yung stricto pero fair. Importante rin breifing before the game. Reminder of the the rules and how the game is played.
Kita mo si Ompong? Alang makalusot diyan na zombie hahaha
Since you guys are an organized umbrella group, why dont you assign designated marshals from each team or from the staff of 1ad?
We are known for our sportsmanship. We have garnered lots of awards just for that... even at national levels. Eh kasi naman if you cheat, sira ang laro. Asan ang thrill? Realism nga di bah? Iiwasan mong mamatay, that makes the game interesting. Pag known ang team mo as cheaters, di na ini-invite in competition games. Pag known ang team mo na maiinit ang ulo... iiwas na other teams playing with you.
Ang maganda sa highly upgraded BASR is that its so precise. You can choose any part of the body to shoot. Di aamin sa chest part na hit, then tirahin mo sa leeg. As much as possible though iwasan ang headshots. kahit na may goggles, di talaga maiwasan ang aksidente. Mahirap na makasakit ng kapwa.
I primarily play as marksman more than sniper. Ang hirap maging sniper rito, beleive me I've tried. I only play as a sniper in big overnighter games.
Sa August manood kayo sa National games namin. Look at how our marshals handle a game. I dont know if we'll send invitations sa club ninyo kasi medyo mataas fps namin. Unfair for you guys (fps wise). Minsan lang ako makakita ng zombie in our group. We must be doing something right di bah?
These are all my personal thought lang ha. I'm not imposing anything on anyone. Its just suggestions.
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Post by korn on Apr 21, 2006 0:53:27 GMT 8
k3wl...
CD read the sniper do's and dont's hahahahahaha
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Post by snyper on Apr 21, 2006 9:22:37 GMT 8
sir denski, I believe mas marami ka experience with sniper rifles, which is better? the bolt action spring powered or gas types (can those be classified as sniper rifles too). which come out more expensive in the long run, coz i believe those spring powered types need to be upgraded to make it perform at its best like the VSR. Care to share your wisdom. Thanks in advance.
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Post by denski on Apr 21, 2006 11:36:21 GMT 8
Bolt action spring is more accurate than bolt action gas mainly due to gas output is more consistent since it pushes the same amount of air out everytime. Gases you put in Bolt action gas can be temperemental. It is affected by weather conditions and weather temperatures. Sometimes its slow, sometimes its fast. Herein lays its inconsistency... plus... try shooting succeedingly with a gas bolt action rifle. Notice your cylinder becomes cold. Notice your shots become less and less powerful. You'll have to wait until the cylinder temperature normalizes before the next shot. I'm sure you have experience shooting lead pellet guns... same temperatuire effect.
Bolt action spring rifles are expensive to upgrade but is cheaper in the long run since you dont need to purchase gas everytime. Bolt action gas rifles are cheaper to upgrade... sometimes you just replace the seals and your good to go to use higher and stronger gases, but this is expensive in the long run.
Bolt action spring rilfes are limited to 550fps. Anything higher than that and you will find it hard to cycle that bolt (you'll have to be superman to cycle the bolt at 600fps). Plus the upgraded bolt handle cannot handle the stress above 550fps. (by the way... VSR bolt handle needs upgrading if your going above 500fps). Mapuputol na yan. Bolt action gas rifles can go upto 800fps (even more). Cycling the bolt is still smooth. You can even cycle the bolt with your pinky finger.
Actually 500fps for bolt action sniper rifles is all you need. Thats about 200 to 250feet precision accuracy and 300feet maximum range.
BASRs are more durable than AEGs. There are no batteries, Gears, Fuses, Wiring, Motor or any other electrical thingymajigs. If properly upgraded, it will outlast any branded AEG.
Both spring and gas needs precision upgrades. These include tightbarrels, barrel spacers and the like.
Do you like to run out of gas in an important game? Thats the problem with bolt action gas *wink With spring BASRs your shots are limited only to the number of bbs you can carry.
Again I'm no gun mechanic or tech guru. I'm not even the best sniper around. Thats just what I know and included in my ramblings above are my experiences on the playtype... some theories and some ideas.
As i've written in some of my postings, you guys can agree or disagree anytime... but be prepared for an intellectual debate on the subject. I like debates panaman... the good kind ha hehehe
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Post by SANDMAN on Apr 21, 2006 22:56:10 GMT 8
Eto naman sir Denski- follow up question- which spring type BASR(brand/model) would you recommend for an all out 550fps upgrade? Nagkataon lang kasi na VSR10 yung nahagilap namin sa Quattro, pero if we had a choice- what would you recommend?
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Post by snyper on Apr 22, 2006 0:49:52 GMT 8
Salamat sa inputs mo ser Dens'. very very helpful indeed. This will really help those who would like to go and be a sniper.
Tho personally I will prefer the spring powered, ala na dami gastos sa gas.
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Post by denski on Apr 22, 2006 3:25:27 GMT 8
Top BASR brands: Maruzen (SV, OR, aps type 96, etc) CA M24 Tanaka m700 Sun project m40 *based on durability and upgradeability as well as performance Ideal AEG sniper rifle platforms: PSG1 m14 m16 Steyr Aug *based on inner barrel lenght, upgradeability, cylinder size I own these: APS Type 96 AWP sniper rifle Steyr Aug Custom TM armalite series Marine Scout Sniper rifle (MSSR)
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Post by Pfc. Cj6_HawkeYe on Apr 22, 2006 11:29:17 GMT 8
sir denks-anong range aug mo na precise accurate...n wat did you upgrade dyan..tnx
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