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Post by denski on Jul 17, 2009 13:29:32 GMT 8
Nah I wasnt asleep sir 9th... your history is just incomplete hehehe let me fill in the gaps *wink
Airsoft tournies where already being held between sister clubs of ASG even before ACM groups sprouted up here in Davao. At those time, it was called "big games." ASG Davao and ASG Gensan use to visit each other to play "big games." ASG Cebu holds the anual ASG national tournaments for ASG chapters from Luzon, Visayas and Mindanao even before the advent of china low-end guns. The first CQB tournament in Davao also was held even before ACM groups started sprouting up. It was held at an old house fronting NCCC mall. ASG Cebu was present. The largest bivouac was held at mountain haven. It was an overnight game 6pm to 6am. ASG Davao use to have a multitude of gamesites before the break up of the group when you guys only had two... pioneer, bahay ni lola, Jack's ridge, Toyozo to name a few.
ASG started at the gas gun era where brand names include kokusai and asahi.... even before Tokyo Marui.
The first airsoft store in Davao was in Toyuzo Panacan. Only one cabinet. Before that, there was no physical store but items where ordered from particular persons. That store now has a different address, more owners, and offers a wide variety of products. Use to be, it takes months for an order to arrive. Kahit na anong kulet namin kay Philip... matagal talaga magdating ang inorder na AEG. TM palang meron nun.. wala pang CA.. wala pang G&G, wala pang ICS at iba ibang high ends.
I was already moderator for the ASG national website when ACM forums was created. We once discussed this umbrella organization the ACM group was organizing (you guys where still a fledgeling group at that time sporting plastic AEGs with chronos less than 280 fps). We at ASG Davao declined to be a part of it since we already are a part of a larger national organization even before the ACM group was conceptualized and our AEGs where shooting way harder. I was already moderator for FAS even then. I was already the information officer for chapter invitational games between sister clubs of ASG even before the first lowend AEGs came out... so I particularly know when tournaments started here in Davao.
We have already absorbed members of some disappearing ACM groups. Alot of groups are experiencing loss of members.
All I'm saying is that if this goes on... only the strongest groups will be left. If you start restricting variety for different personal preferrences of people... it will affect it even further.
Presently there are groups that dont have gamesites of their own. Sooner later, a larger group than them will absorb them. It may not be us, it may be some other group... it may be yours. Bottomline, fewer teams in the future. What is the use of a forum if there are less groups to gather?
Dont get me wrong. I'm more of a weekend warrior. I use to speak against tournaments because competition will only bring out the worst in us. But you just cant stop people from preferring one thing from another... so we all had to adapt. I dont play that often as you can see. I do choose the tournaments I play in. I just dont like the headaches badly organized tournaments brings.
If you do restrict clubs that are ACM affiliated from playing at tournaments, as I said... it wont affect larger and older groups one tiny bit. But it will affect the smaller ones. Do you guys even have the power to restrict ACM affiliated clubs?
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Post by 9th on Jul 17, 2009 16:23:06 GMT 8
As i said naka xda ako sa previous post ko, using my gprs kaya malaki ang kulang. ============================= What i know the 1st airsoft store noon ay si Joe(One Stop), formerly along San Pedro. ============================= Nawala yata ako dito, I am talking not the ASG Inter Club Tourney. Ang tourney na mentioned ko right after lumabas ang maraming Hi-end AEG(especially from Quatro), the one sa SM na held. I saw many ACM Teams nawala sa original teams nila dahil sa mga next na tourney. That 1st tourney(not the ASG Interclub tourney), I witnessed how the dirty tactics used by the participants to win the games, Dito lumabas ang marshal call only tactics, Zombie tactics, Suicide or what I call it sacrifice tactics. All that tactics are unrealistic... You cannot use that tactics sa mga Interclub tourney I even burst my anger here creating solely a topic/thread for that. So many reaaction and even your former ASG President write a comment regarding airsoft non interclub tournament. A good and inspiring comment. ============================= Actually I don't have problem with ASG hosting a tournament, halos lahat yata tourney nyo kasali ako. Even Awol and NPA, thumbs up from me. ============================= I am not on total Ban of Airsoft tourney, masaya nga eh, I can always display my load out not only to my team mates Yon nga lang, doon ako sa organizer na may Good track record ============================= Anyway I am too busy now for more comments, mamaya uli.
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Post by 9th on Jul 17, 2009 16:59:43 GMT 8
Got my laptop.... Nah I wasnt asleep sir 9th... your history is just incomplete hehehe let me fill in the gaps *wink Good to know We at ASG Davao declined to be a part of it since we already are a part of a larger national organization even before the ACM group was conceptualized No offense... IMHO I call it "close minded" kayo noon. You don't want to merged with low end people....hahaha....sa akin lang na opinyon eto ha...I mean sa panahon noon na ganoon pa kayo. Don't get mad on me, that time may bestfriend ako na ASG member, He recruited me to your club that time and it's an honor but decided not because of my principle. our AEGs where shooting way harder. Nawala uli ako dito, time when we create the 1AD from ACM, we have already open fps games using hi end guns with lo end gun, we even try to upgrade our plastic chikom guns to go beyond the velocity of TM and CA stock Aegs or di man kaya, pumantay lang, we don't have a chrono to know the exact velocity, we all know when we bring our gun to quatro that our guns shot more than the fps limit of ASG. so I particularly know when tournaments started here in Davao. You mean to say, the ASG InterClub? or the one with the SM Airsoft tourney(I forgot the exact date of that tourney as i don't want remember it). If you do restrict clubs that are ACM affiliated from playing at tournaments, as I said... it wont affect larger and older groups one tiny bit. But it will affect the smaller ones. Do you guys even have the power to restrict ACM affiliated clubs? If you know why we created the 1AD(not ACM), you know the answer.
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Post by kach on Jul 17, 2009 17:35:42 GMT 8
mga sir, ask ko lang, what happened to ASCOD ? i played a couple of games with them in 94, gas gun and springer pa gamit namin noon. pure enjoyment lang walang yabang.
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Post by slowaction on Jul 17, 2009 17:38:47 GMT 8
If I may cut in, the topic here is not about ASG and its tournaments. Lets not be too historical and stick to the topic - banning tournaments. It is not very clear to me why tournaments must be banned all together. I guess this advocacy came up because of recent untoward incidents. I recall that the time when tournaments were friendly and encouraged camaderie between teams. But things changed, some teams become competitive while others remained to play to enjoy the games. The former only enjoyed when they win while the latter enjoyed every game. Its all up to the team. The proceedings of the tournament relies solely on the host. Control and proaction are the key to a successful marshal. As head marshal of tournaments, I make sure that calls are grounded on rules and appropriate. Players get frustrated on bad calls especially repeated ones. Since marshals have the authority to throw them out of the game, they vent their feelings at the nearest opponent. This is how fights are started. I enjoyed tournaments. I find them stimulating mentally and challenging physically. It is the only time I can run faster (aside when being chased by the neighbor's dog . I use this to test myself tactically and improve on my weaknesses. Hence, I wish we don't ban tournaments all together but find ways to improve them. Opinion posted does not reflect the opinion of my group nor views are expressed in reference to any particular tournament.
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Post by kach on Jul 17, 2009 17:48:05 GMT 8
sir there are other way of playing airsoft competitively aside from tournaments, without the animosity with other teams and high cost. why not we try fellowship games or alliance game, and avoid team vs team games.
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Post by 9th on Jul 17, 2009 18:15:49 GMT 8
Teka 'bat napunta tayo sa total ban? I am only praying sana wala ng tourney but not protesting or pushing for total ban. I love ASG tourney, I love AWOL tourney, even beginning to love the Feel the Pain, the out of town tourney. But Please STRICT with the chrono. And more functioning Marshal.
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Post by denski on Jul 17, 2009 18:34:48 GMT 8
Sir 9th. I think we came in with the wrong foot. I'm merely discussing what happened to our group when people start to dictate things and dont compromise. This creates decent and people tend to rebel. This will also be true to other groups and organization since this is just basic human nature.
History tends to repeat itself.
That is why right now I advocate variety. Banning tournaments just wont fix the problem. Everybody has preferrences. If one was to dictate banning tournaments now... it wont do any good. Besides, no local umbrella organization has the power to do so here in Davao unless agreed by all clubs and teams... including non affiliated teams and clubs.
Now if banning tournaments was approved, the only teams and clubs that will be affected will be those small teams and clubs.
Now with regards to your reply and comments to ASG... no we where not close minded. Again, we just didnt want problems from other groups such as we are experiencing right now. There where good reasons why the past administration have done it and nobody from outside the group has the right to question how we run things.
We did open up eventually to change the image others have pictured us... look at what it brought us. Once inside, you'll understand the decisions made. An outsider unfortunately wont understand.
When ASG started making events, there where not many other teams or clubs to invite. So interclub invitation was out of the question and hard to do. In Mindanao there was CAG, ASG (Agusan airsoft games), SWAT Davao and ASG Davao... no other teams.
When 1ad started I distinctly have read people's discussion on frankenstien upgrades using springs of notebooks to get higher FPS for those plastic low-end AEGs. It took some months before low-end users perfected the frankenstien upgrades to get to the FPS levels high-end upgraded AEGs can make. One high end group has open FPS above 500... one high end group practiced limited FPS to 450.
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Post by 9th on Jul 17, 2009 18:40:30 GMT 8
At this moment, nothing more comments from me sir denz.
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Post by 9th on Jul 17, 2009 18:53:37 GMT 8
I retract my no comments post.... Now with regards to your reply and comments to ASG... no we where not close minded. Again, we just didnt want problems from other groups such as we are experiencing right now. There where good reasons why the past administration have done it and nobody from outside the group has the right to question how we run things. When that time, we have a higher respect from your Club, the ASG and even the SWAT. Maybe kung naging "open minded"* kayo that time. Who knows, tayo ang pinaka Unite Airsofter sa whole PI. Maybe I am dreaming.... Or Idealistic lang ako.... (*open minded: it's only my personal term) Kulit ko....out muna ako dito....
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Post by gunnerbunny on Jul 17, 2009 18:55:08 GMT 8
the only way we can have an accurate calls on tourneys is to have that vest they use in combat mission TV program that buzzes when hit but i don't see that happening ever, i support the "no more tournament" idea even if it means that the smaller teams will be disbanded and might join the larger stronger team let it be, rather than we have a lot of small teams that could not control their members and cause fights in airsoft events, at least in the bigger teams they are controlled and being monitored in which they cannot cause damage to others or damage to themselves or to the sport, however, removing tournaments would not stop an airsofter airsofting let other towns host tournaments better they cause problems there than here. give the airsofter the option of, for example, playing in that out of town tournaments where safety is at risk or play in local non tournament big games here where you are safe from fights and such. i for one had experienced my group disbanding because of tournaments but i kept playing it did not matter with who or what, as i perceive it you prove nothing in winning tournaments, you cant put it on you resume "airsoft champion 10 yrs in a row", there is not professional airsoft teams like other high paying sports and it wont certainly put food on your table, so why risk yourself in a fist fight because of that airsoft championship, PRIDE? take pride in you honesty in the field, take pride in making friends take pride in having the most fun......that is the ultimate trophy and reward, well thats what i think personaly.
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Post by 9th on Jul 17, 2009 19:03:12 GMT 8
take pride in you honesty in the field, take pride in making friends take pride in having the most fun......that is the ultimate trophy and reward..... I like this one
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Post by glock1980 on Jul 17, 2009 21:04:38 GMT 8
MISMO!!! ABSOLUTELY!!! eh d...mas ok pag nagka sportsmanship award ang isang team, 1/4 na lang babayaran nila sa registration or payback guarantee.. at bigger trophy and with medals.. hehehe para may maiuwi maipakita ke misis or parents na nagbunga naman ang pinagkakagastusan ng pagkamahal mahal at nagkakasugat sugat pa...
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Post by Lock_joe on Jul 17, 2009 21:10:07 GMT 8
MISMO!!! ABSOLUTELY!!! eh d...mas ok pag nagka sportsmanship award ang isang team, 1/4 na lang babayaran nila sa registration or payback guarantee.. at bigger trophy and with medals.. hehehe para may maiuwi maipakita ke misis or parents na nagbunga naman ang pinagkakagastusan ng pagkamahal mahal at nagkakasugat sugat pa... GO CENTURIONS GO ;D ;D ;D ;D
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Post by Lock_joe on Jul 17, 2009 21:22:38 GMT 8
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