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Post by Lowlight on Jul 21, 2009 20:44:16 GMT 8
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Post by denski on Jul 22, 2009 9:37:52 GMT 8
i did not said that funding is not needed ( worry about the funding as we go along ) , nothing is free, it always cost somebody else but it is something else when the premise behind any act is anchored on profit. a federation is a must to unite airsofter, i know there will always be a dissenter especially when their agenda is at risk and they will moved heaven and earth try to prevent this from being accomplished. the establishment of a federation is not into putting down of any clubs, but instead is to unite all airsofter , and will try to curb abuses and manipulation for a better future of our hobby. a federation is not a perfect solution, but it is a start. " a just compensation for a HONEST work done. Are you saying I have financial gain over this? What am I going to do? Require everyone to buy my pudding and make it a general rule for all Davao airsofters to do so? I dont even ask my team mates to sell my products in ASG events. Nahuhulog, donation pa nga eh. Why do guys think I'm helping? Is it not for the same purpose of uniting everyone and keep things peacefull? I already said that funds are to be used for the betterment of the hobby. Boardmembers dont get any financial gain from this... infact, they may need to shell out money to keep things moving. Thats the problem with some people here. They demand too much but dont give anything in return for it. They expect their leaders to do everything and even finance what is needed to be done. When the time comes when the leaders need assistance from the constituents... these demanding constituents disappear. You cant expect the boardmembers to shell out money everytime something needs to be done. Even if the boardmembers are the sons of sultans and have no financial constraints, it still doesnt make it right. Some boardmembers who are not so fortunate have families and children of their own. They can sacrifice time and effort if they want to but not the well being of their families. I also said "start by gathering up the leaders of each club." I didnt say they need funding right way... but I assure you, they will need it in time. Now if you guys think that a federation is just a bunch of guys ordering everyone about without giving back anything in return... then you guys are in for a rude awakening. Now if you guys expect the leaders to do everything for you and even finance it... then that takes away your right to question their authority. That'll be a dictatorship. Ask yourselves this. What right does a federation have to restrict and demand if it has no power and moral right to do so? A bunch of guys who you dont even know, belongs to groups you dont even belong to, gives nothing back for the improvement of the hobby and doesnt even represent your concerns going to order you around? Let's all be practical about these things. Unless you guys make this a professionalized federation... no one will take it seriously.
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Post by slowaction on Jul 22, 2009 12:50:15 GMT 8
@rambler - sir funding should not be taken as profit. For an organization to run smoothly, operational funds are needed. We can not expect our officers and board members to open their wallet everytime our organization needs something.
Federation is highly probable in davao. There are a lot of leaders here. However, as I see it, we must stop thinking of ourselves and start thinking for the benefit of the whole club, whole federation and tops, the airsoft hobby as a whole, then there is hope.
Anyone care to get the ball rolling?
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Post by blu88 on Jul 22, 2009 13:10:28 GMT 8
Hi, im back ;D haay, pikon ka pa rin denski as usual, sumali pa si low light, ayaw nyo lang mag karoon ng one organization na to control ang action ng mga airsoft clubs especially on organizing tournaments, malaki kasi ang kita dito. ang gusto nyo unhindered profiteering lang, kesohoda ang airsoft as a hobby basta kayo kumikita sa mga tournaments. My suggestion in this matter is dapat kung may tournament man dapat approved and controlled by the federation, hindi ng mga tournament cartel. Para sa inyong mga war profiteer kung ayaw nyo ng federation, di wag kayong sumali, mas mabuti pa airsoft community na wala ang mga mukhang pera. BAN THE TOURNAMENTS
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Post by Lowlight on Jul 22, 2009 17:47:43 GMT 8
oh your MAJESTY salamat sa pag sali mo sa akin, talaga lang ang laki ng kita nakabili na nga ng mga sariling kotse ang mga clubmates ko, pati rin yung mga friends namin na clubs (i.e. SEALS, MAGAHAT, NPA, AWOL, STACT-TORIL, S.A.G., SPARTANS, TAGCORE, KAST, WILD KATS, AND MORE RECENTLY BLACKWATER) na nagpapa tournament naka bili na RIN ng individual house and lots sa woodridge, tapos may mga trust funds na ang mga clubs namin so its such a profitable venture, you should join us para naman ma experience mo ang life of luxury kaibigan, hindi naman kami madamot eh... binasa mo sana yung una kong post AYAW KO TALAGA MAG KA FEDERASYON KASI PAG SINABI MO MEMBER KA NG FEDERASYON IBA NA anG IBIG SABIHIN NOON FAFA!!! BAN ON THE RUN, BAN ON THE RUN, BAN ON THE RUN... alam nyo yun yung kanta??? ;D ;D ;D and by the way naa diay ka royalty from us because the CQC 101: Cartel Rundown was solely inspired by you, pick up your share of the loot lang siguro sa amoang tambayan everybody knows where ASG's hangout, no need to advertise the hobby shop
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Post by denski on Jul 22, 2009 19:37:00 GMT 8
Naku sir lowlight, lahat ng mga nagpalaro meh mga Luxury SUV na... di lang kotse. Etong federasyon, Mansion na sa Forbes park mapapagawa natin kaya join ka na rin fafa hahaha Ban na yang mga tournament na yan. Small time lang yan eh, pam-pickpocket. Dito tayo sa bigtime para mafioso na hehehe
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Post by 9th on Jul 22, 2009 19:40:58 GMT 8
Hmmmn.... Don't know much the AFOC of Cebu Maybe sir Denz knows about this Federation. Answered. Do we need it? Could we have a true united airsoft group here in Davao? A federation to unite all teams not only Davao including neighboring town and cities... Stand for a common goal? Not clear enough if no or yes. Fire out Too hot now but need more real flame...
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Post by Wacko on Jul 22, 2009 20:55:50 GMT 8
too hot to handle...i sense/s real flame soon here...tsk tsk tsk
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Post by Lowlight on Jul 22, 2009 21:48:17 GMT 8
no we don't need it --airsoft clubs have co existed peacefully here, even though as a matter of fact twice we have already been involved in hand to hand combat, those teams were from out of town, tagum & gensan.. what happened between one delta ss playerr and some of our members was DEEPLY personal... in general things are not as worst as some are trying to portray...
federation to control/regulate tournament fees? -no point in doing that, costs are drastically dropping, and at the rate davao airsoft community is going at, it will be more difficult for anyone to organize anything
no we will never have a united airsoft group here in davao -simply because it's the reality, it's possible to have a united airsoft community though.
stand for a common goal -yeah, quite possible in a million years hehehe -too much competition, too much like a fraternity (no exception for my club) to mutually agree to anything...
flame on... blu flame just like Gasul
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Post by 9th on Jul 23, 2009 0:34:30 GMT 8
too hot to handle...i sense/s real flame soon here...tsk tsk tsk we can all handle the fire...
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Post by miklo on Jul 23, 2009 0:46:13 GMT 8
bring out the fire extinguisher a.k.a. alakdan! hehehe
more inputs pls....we can learn something new from this thread...
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Post by gunnerbunny on Jul 23, 2009 8:08:55 GMT 8
no we will never have a united airsoft group here in davao -simply because it's the reality, it's possible to have a united airsoft community though. YES...this one hits the spot......much like 1AD its been a long time since i went to one of its meetings pero as u see now andito parin naman. as we say and i qoute "A UNITED AIRSOFT COMMUNITY" or else you wont be logging in this forum for updates and etc..etc!!! ;D ;D ;D
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Post by slowaction on Jul 23, 2009 9:33:08 GMT 8
Lets talk about something sensible.
When we hosted first major tournament here, I had a vision that through this tournament, rules of engagement, gaming format and officiation will become standard to all tournaments. But that was experimental and true enough a lot have changed over time. Mainly, bracketing to cater more team. The tourney ended with championship in which more dirty tactics and cheating (sa makalusot lang) was committed than the semi-games. So it was later changed to round robin with team standing held in suspense. Rules of engagement evolved from friendly to regulatory because player learned to ignore hits. Call to surrender is no longer applicable to most matured players, they must be shot at to acknowledge out. Nevertheless, game rules was never standardize. One led to another before we know it, it was blown out of proportion.
Like in the more developed sports like PPSA, the umbrella organization does not intrude into the affairs of the club. They however, sanction matches to ensure that the tournament is conducted according to the international rulebook. There is no rules on tournament fees. Clubs charge according to level of the match.
The bottomline is that the federation may not be regulating the affairs of each club but may come in during tournaments. First thing first, adopt the standard rules of engagement, gaming format and marshal officiation. Match levels may be established so that everyone will know what to expect from the host.
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Post by denski on Jul 23, 2009 10:43:50 GMT 8
Its useless to make sense and appeal to reason when the person you are talking to has no intellectual capacity for it. Might as well make humorous senseless off topic posts sir slowaction. I've already tried that approach to no avail.
I've already said what I need to say. I leave it now to the more educated readers to judge who makes sense or not.
Off topic:
I belong to a U.P. fraternity. Whats so wrong about being in one? Organizational skills are developed, discipline, sense of belonging, camraderie... you guys just focus too much on the bad things. There are fraternities that have achieved so much good for the community. Fraternities are just like any clubs, organizations and federations.
@ Sir 9th
With the kind of people your dealing with, organizing a federation would be a big headache. You are open to criticism, judgement, scrutinization and unreasonable people. You sure you wanna go down this road?
No matter how good your intentions are, you are bound to get burned in politics... especially if there are moronic non-common sensical people chewing your back.
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Post by slowaction on Jul 23, 2009 11:15:50 GMT 8
Hahaha denski. I believe there are sensible people lurking in the dark here. They decided not to post for they might get burned like you but they are very much interested in the notion of having a federation.
It is time to built the bigger house or eventually we will die in the caves we living in.
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