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Post by 9th on Jul 19, 2009 0:47:17 GMT 8
Don't know much the AFOC of Cebu Maybe sir Denz knows about this Federation. Do we need it? Could we have a true united airsoft group here in Davao? A federation to unite all teams not only Davao including neighboring town and cities... Stand for a common goal? Fire out  |
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Post by denski on Jul 19, 2009 3:38:16 GMT 8
You guys want the same thing? Actually it is very possible.
It has to be a ruling body with teeth. How do you get teeth? You must be well funded and supported by affiliated clubs and personalities. Funds come from MEMBER clubs... in other words, there will be membership fees from affiliated clubs. Politicians must support this and this federation must be administered by representatives from all clubs concerned... not just a few. In other words, everyone is represented. Every club has equal rights and say. Nobody is above anyone (if you've got 12 clubs, then you've got 12 MEMBERS of the board... the chairman only facilitates the meetings and has no voting rights to be above suspicion). Votes must be unanimous to get approved. Usually the current presidents of each clubs represent the federation each term. An accounting firm is hired as well as a secretary (non airsoft affiliated staff... not affiliated to any of the MEMBERS of the federation or clubs).
Then, take hold of PNP airsoft gun licensing and PTT issuance. Take hold of airsoft club and gamesite PNP registration. This is the calcium in the federation's teeth. No airsofter can have his gun licensed with out the referral of the federation. No club or gamesite can be registered without the referral of the federation. No events can be registered without the referral of the federation. Thats why you need the support of the politicians and the PNP *wink
Main function:
1. Keep the peace between clubs and MEMBERS (including mediation after fights).
2. Secure the region of illegal activities using airsoft replica guns (bank roberries and the like) and to make the affiliates follow the rules and laws of the land (gun ban, public display and carrying, smuggling, gun registration, gamesite registration, club registration, PTT, IRR etc).
3. Promotion and protection of the hobby (government and business sector representation)
Its just... too hard to organize and set-up these kinds of things here. Easier for Cebu teams since they're clubs are well funded and runned. People there also are willing to spend money to get what they want and to make things happen. People there have money. You dont see them squirm regarding the high cost of game registration from events.
You want to be taken seriously? Then make a serious federation... di pwede yung "inato" style. Real funding, real backing, real support, real power over its affiliate MEMBER clubs... Start by gathering all the presidents of all clubs.
If you guys are serious, I can make a call to Cebu and ask assistance from AFOC.
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Post by kach on Jul 19, 2009 17:55:13 GMT 8
sir, i'm all for it 101%, as long it is created for the good of all airsofter and most of all to our beloved hobby,and not as a money making scheme. it should have a true democratic set up, each member team should be represented to its council and have a say in any policy making and day to day operation.
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Post by glock1980 on Jul 19, 2009 22:29:26 GMT 8
aaahhh..... LETS MAKE IT SIMPLE YET COMPLICATED TO COMPROMISE...
STRICT IMPLEMENTATION OF RULES AND REGULATIONS... lets make AIRSOFT as if REAL STEEL
code of conduct/s, manuals, regulations, safety rules, etc..
NON COMPLIANCE??? SUSPENSION/BAN of team/s player/s to join tourneys/gatherings//
UFC fights? violent/more violence... BUT??? they do abide the rules... ganun lang sana ...
BATO at MARTIAL LAW sa pagbibigay at pagsunod sa RULES and REGULATIONS.. ganun naman yata sa PRACTICAL SHOOT di ba mga sirs??
LETS BE STRICT... ganun lang siguro... kaya lumalaki ang ulo eh, kesyo kasi madadala sa usapan at ganito ganyan... that should be history.. LETS MAKE ATTAIN OUR COMMON GOAL>> PLAY FUN WITH HONESTY AND WINNING BY MEANS OF HONESTY...
we dont know... next na gulo, magiging dahilan ng TOTAL BAN OF OUR HOBBY... tayo rin ang kawawa...
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Post by denski on Jul 20, 2009 11:47:33 GMT 8
Actually a federation needs some form of funding in order to implement its projects. Basically its a moneymaking scheme to be used for the betterment of the hobby. Funds dont go to the pockets of the boardmembers though. Most of it are to be paid for services rendered. Since you cant demand members to sacrifice time and money for some endeavor they are not earning anything out off... other people are hired.
An outside accounting firm is hired to keep track of funding. All these are open to the public to be scrutinized and viewed.
Its like paying the government taxes that pay for infrastructures like bridges and roads. This time your paying the federation to keep things peacefull and beneficial to all.
The federation may need to hire police officers to keep the peace in an event if the event host asks for assistance. The federation may need to maintain legal services of lawyers. The federation may need to pay SEC papers and other legalities. To maintain connections in Government and Business sectors arent cheap as well.
Actually its not a dicatorship as well. These arent forced rules. Members of the board represent their constituents sentiments. Members of the board agree on what is and is not. Its a professionalized system where this federation is runned like a corporation.
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Post by kach on Jul 20, 2009 12:02:35 GMT 8
more strict regulations without a teeth to enforce it is useless, most of this problem are manifested during tournaments, because of the frat mentality of some clubs. there should be a venue for settling dispute among clubs and individual members. a one airsoft regulating organization is needed, to make a single policy on airsoft activity, a sole body authorized to organized tournaments ( hindi maski sino na lang ang gusto mag organize ng tourney, just to make profit ) and should have a disciplinary authority on member teams.
tama na ang kanya kanya, lets act as one, or perished individually.
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Post by skindred on Jul 20, 2009 12:54:51 GMT 8
serious na kaayu ang hobby ana. hehehehe. pero ok pud. the goal is to be more "organized".
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Post by stubbytwunks on Jul 20, 2009 13:54:49 GMT 8
Sana nga we can achieved this. Airsoft is a hobby and a recreational thing....we should know our limits, and we should know whats the reason why we are engaging in this kind of hobby. Do we want to have fun or do we want TO HURT someone.......Sana walang mangyari ulit kagaya last tourney sa MTS...I've been a witness to that at ang pangit..wag sana umabot na ipagbawal ni mayor duterte airsoft sa davao, it's OUR LOST those who really LOVE the GAME...
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Post by kach on Jul 20, 2009 17:38:04 GMT 8
i dont know why there are individuals who always put a price list on every activities we make, cant we do something that put money the least priority?
lets try to make this federation a reality and worry about the funding later as we go along.
di pa nga nasisimulan pera na agad ang issue or meron lang talagang ayaw mangyari ito, status quo lang ang gusto, para bussines as usual. ummm i am wondering
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Post by sdamp on Jul 20, 2009 20:19:23 GMT 8
Ang totoo niyan were just making things more complicated....nahihirapan na nga tayong e unite ang 1AD ngayon mag federation pa tayo at may money involve pa....E coopetive na lang kaya natin ang airsoft sa davao para marami tayong makuhang benefits...hehehe...magpakatotoo na tayong lahat....
peace...
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Post by Lowlight on Jul 20, 2009 21:21:05 GMT 8
@rambler- seems you have some issues with denski... pasensya ka na may-ari ng bakery yan pati pudding niyan may presyo... peace marvs...
who would not want this to happen? count me in, i would rather that this idea will never see the light of day, good thing is I need not wish for this not to happen because at the state local airsoft is in right now (disunity, jealousy, intrigues, etc, etc...) it will be like trying to sink an aircraft carrier using your double elephant steyr AUG...
no to federation... at least this is my opinion, if you don't like it go and tickle yourself and smile... ;D ;D ;D
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Post by glock1980 on Jul 20, 2009 23:32:23 GMT 8
pangil sa pangil... hehehe strict implementation of rules...so be it!
ganun lang... ayaw kahadluk... mag organize ka tourney??? what is and whats not...
implement what is told during briefing... or what is posted... subsidized sa pinaka disiplinado nga team.. "rewards and punishment"
psychological warfare... walay kaila, walang kaibi-kaibigan.... so be it what is told!
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Post by denski on Jul 21, 2009 11:41:17 GMT 8
This is exactly why Cebu can make an AFOC and we cant.
Why dont you guys try and establish one without funding if your too close minded about it. You want me to give you a prediction what will happen? That will be a shell... all talk, nothing will get done, all grandstanding... will not last a year federation. If it even lasts a year... all it will be is a wallflower. All blah, blah, blah, blah....
You guys want a federation with teeth? Bottomline, you need funding... even Red Cross needs funding and is runned like a corporation. Whats so wrong about it when the common good is achieved?
Even FAS needs funding to run itself. Akala niyo libre and website ng FAS? Libre sa MEMBERS pero meh binabayaran ang staff diyan. Meh bayad and domain, meh bayad ang IT maintenance. How do we raise funding? Advertisement, sellers and sponsors. Do we moderators get anything from it? Wala... zero... zilch. Wala kami sweldo diyan. Yearly MP shirt lang natatanggap namin diyan for the amount of work we do for the national airsoft community.
Masons, Lions club, Demolay, PAPI, IAPS, Ihos de Davao, ... all organized federations, associations, clubs... need some form of funding.
If thats the way you guys think then this is doomed from the start. It wont be a reality. Why I even bother to help you guys to make this a reality is beyond me.
What do I get from this anyway? If you think I want to belong to that federation, think again. Only present and current club/team presidents gets to be board MEMBERS. Since I have no desire to be president in the club I belong to, not now, not in future... I have no vested interested in becoming a Boardmember. Do I even get money from this? Di ako patay gutom. Meh sarili akong pera. I help because I want to. Every ASG MEMBER can attest to that.
I already belong to 2 major and nationwide airsoft federation/association/organization... why would I even bother with a local one?
If its just another "Inato" unprofessionalized federation... then my answer would be "No, it wont work." It will just be a waste of time and effort to even try to establish one. Without the support of all clubs especially the well established ones, nothing will come out from it.
If this federation is created just to pull down well established clubs, think again. These clubs already existed well before there where other teams. They will do just fine without it and no unrecognized unprofessionalized federation have the power to restrict or demand squat from them.
If you think I'm wrong and dont make any sense then make one and prove me wrong.
If when you guys are really serious about making a professionalized and organized federation... then you will have my support and help. I dont want to waste precious time of the people I will be calling to give you guys assistance. Since rambler want money to be the least of my concerns while helping you guys... I will be charging my long distance calls to him.
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Post by kach on Jul 21, 2009 13:24:03 GMT 8
i did not said that funding is not needed ( worry about the funding as we go along ) , nothing is free, it always cost somebody else but it is something else when the premise behind any act is anchored on profit. a federation is a must to unite airsofter, i know there will always be a dissenter especially when their agenda is at risk and they will moved heaven and earth try to prevent this from being accomplished. the establishment of a federation is not into putting down of any clubs, but instead is to unite all airsofter , and will try to curb abuses and manipulation for a better future of our hobby. a federation is not a perfect solution, but it is a start. " a just compensation for a HONEST work done.  |
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Post by migraine_boy on Jul 21, 2009 20:09:30 GMT 8
diri makita kung kinsa tung mga true ersopters diri sa dabaw. Naa silay masulti bahin sa ersop community ug unsaon pag-sulbad sa problema. dili pareha sa uban na igo lng makig-sumbagay or mangaway. Mao nang tinood na mga sabay sa tama ug mga arong ingnon ersopters. unsa pa man inyong gihulat. pag sabat na mu diri. good works mga ser.
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